The best optical illusion in the world [Video] (Religious)

[Phase228]

Meh i prefer to disprove christianity another way, In the old testament; there is a story of God and Man. Man asks God how he can believe in him without proof, God answers "Proof denies faith, and without faith i am nothing" anyway you take that it means God is what you make him. Now, ask a christian to prove God exists, no matter what their answer tell them the story of God and Man afterwards, Because even if somehow someone proves God exists; they will only prove that he is nothing special and could possibly be only an insignificant figure in an entire species (Angels?)

Wall of text+Religion=Win

yah give me the verse of that and what book?
if you can point it out tell me where

[kelat]

Dude, Phase. I just read that and I am left speechless. Well firstly evolution is real; it occurs over thousands of years. Go search for "Darwin's Finches," showing how the many types of finches on the Galapagos evolved and adapted to survive. It is impossible to deny that evolution is not real. Sure you can, but it still is real. It's proven fact, regardless of what your religion says.

I'll let Feebs counter what he wrote, but the thing is that Scientists don't say that eating your crap is good for you. They discover things like Penicillin which saves peoples lives, or discover cures for diseases such as Polio. Sure, without science, once these diseases were done ravaging the human population humans would development an inherent immunity to it, but science has helped to create cures so you don't get said diseases. Hence, when you're born you get vaccinated.

I'm sure Atheists live without God, and not just in disbelief. But how can YOU be sure that YOU are not living in disbelief, the disbelief that there is some higher power when in fact there isn't? The truth is there isn't any way to know; you nor I nor anybody. If a book was found that was 3 times as old as from when the Bible was to have originated and said book detailed how the world was created by some other means other than a God or omniscient, all powerful figure, wouldn't that mean that your God was not true?

And what of all the other religions that are Polytheistic? How does anyone know that they follow the correct Gods, as opposed to a false, Christian God?

I say that anyone who is over zealous for his cause, Die hard Christian or Atheist, thinks that he knows more than everyone else. But no one really knows. Choose what you want to believe in. I for one do not believe in the existence of a God ruling over me, my life, my fate.

You say atheists using stupid science to explain the un-explainable. This is why science, reason and logic are used. Because the un-explained can be explained. Religions were created to explain the un-explained. From all over the world, primitive cultures created Gods which governed different aspects of life. All these cultures had Gods of Life, Death, Water, etc. As well, these cultures all had myths that describe the creation of the world, all of which are strikingly similar. Religion was used to explain that which no one knew. It gave people a sense of security in this vast world. But with advancements to aspects of life and science, many of these mysteries were solved, which pushed religion out of the spotlight.



I don't feel like writing more...

[Flying Piggy]

All praise teh all mighty jug of milk!
:bow:

[Enfeebleness]

ORLY?
tell me this if science said that eating your own crap will make you live forever and they make it a fact does it mean it's true?

Dumb question.

11 results for: fact

fact [fakt]
–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.

and also people are not surviving without God they be living in dis-belief of him but no one lives without him

So you've lived with him all your life, he never let you actually know he's been with you, he never helps you out when you need help, he never assists you in any way, and you want people to believe "No no, really, he is with you!"

Yeah.
Right.

No one's going to care that you're there if he's not going to do squat for anyone. You can't say your life is "better" because you believe in god, because this is the EXACT SAME as saying "This is my friend Frank. He fixes all my problems. But you can't see him, he never does anything, and you'll never actually get to know he's there."

Essentially, God is nothing more than that "invisable friend" 4 year olds come up with to get something small like an extra piece of cake, just on a larger scale with adults falling into it.

[Phase228]

Dumb question.



So you've lived with him all your life, he never let you actually know he's been with you, he never helps you out when you need help, he never assists you in any way, and you want people to believe "No no, really, he is with you!"

Yeah.
Right.

No one's going to care that you're there if he's not going to do squat for anyone. You can't say your life is "better" because you believe in god, because this is the EXACT SAME as saying "This is my friend Frank. He fixes all my problems. But you can't see him, he never does anything, and you'll never actually get to know he's there."

Essentially, God is nothing more than that "invisable friend" 4 year olds come up with to get something small like an extra piece of cake, just on a larger scale with adults falling into it.

yah God is always with you you believe it or not
and yes he does help you anything good that happens to you(mainly) is from God
either way
let me bring this up if your an atheist which iam guessing....do you think after you die...you just die? nothing else?
and you just believe in nothing only evolution and instantaneous universe making?
and im tired for the night so....gnight

[Phase228]

Dude, Phase. I just read that and I am left speechless. Well firstly evolution is real; it occurs over thousands of years. Go search for "Darwin's Finches," showing how the many types of finches on the Galapagos evolved and adapted to survive. It is impossible to deny that evolution is not real. Sure you can, but it still is real. It's proven fact, regardless of what your religion says.

I'll let Feebs counter what he wrote, but the thing is that Scientists don't say that eating your crap is good for you. They discover things like Penicillin which saves peoples lives, or discover cures for diseases such as Polio. Sure, without science, once these diseases were done ravaging the human population humans would development an inherent immunity to it, but science has helped to create cures so you don't get said diseases. Hence, when you're born you get vaccinated.

I'm sure Atheists live without God, and not just in disbelief. But how can YOU be sure that YOU are not living in disbelief, the disbelief that there is some higher power when in fact there isn't? The truth is there isn't any way to know; you nor I nor anybody. If a book was found that was 3 times as old as from when the Bible was to have originated and said book detailed how the world was created by some other means other than a God or omniscient, all powerful figure, wouldn't that mean that your God was not true?

And what of all the other religions that are Polytheistic? How does anyone know that they follow the correct Gods, as opposed to a false, Christian God?

I say that anyone who is over zealous for his cause, Die hard Christian or Atheist, thinks that he knows more than everyone else. But no one really knows. Choose what you want to believe in. I for one do not believe in the existence of a God ruling over me, my life, my fate.

You say atheists using stupid science to explain the un-explainable. This is why science, reason and logic are used. Because the un-explained can be explained. Religions were created to explain the un-explained. From all over the world, primitive cultures created Gods which governed different aspects of life. All these cultures had Gods of Life, Death, Water, etc. As well, these cultures all had myths that describe the creation of the world, all of which are strikingly similar. Religion was used to explain that which no one knew. It gave people a sense of security in this vast world. But with advancements to aspects of life and science, many of these mysteries were solved, which pushed religion out of the spotlight.



I don't feel like writing more...

im going to write about this tommorow i don't feel like reading and responding anymore atm

[iPapa]

yay



now this
people that Believe in God are not stupid~correct
Iam not insecure nor scared for with my ~Father~ all my Fears Leave
God was not created at all....he was always existent you ask me how? hes GOD
and a quick way to explain things science couldn't?
Science has lost it's meaning trying to explain how the universe was made those scientists are fools now they say pork is good for you.....and they make up stupid things saying the Sun is bad for you
at first science i liked but when i heard this garbage there trying to say about evolution well one question....
Why isn't anything else Evolving....
~Phase228~

DAMNIT dude, you're just like any christian.

You said god was not created, because he is GOD...

WHAT THE $@^% does that mean? We have VALID, LEGIT examples, evidence and reasons god is not real. All you say is "God is god, he is always there". You remind me of a little kid saying "I know what you are, but what am I"

God damnit, your an idiot. Everything is evolving you dumb@$$. You won't know that because whenever you see a show on tv, or a report on evolving you ignore it because that's "Testing God". I doubt you even watched the whole movie.

Jesus titty f$@%ing christ.

[R4mbo | Mr. R]

Ahh ƒuck it, this thread gives me headaches. It doesn't mather if you are christian or atheist or whatever, ...stfu all of you dammit!

[Enfeebleness]

yah God is always with you you believe it or not

Really? How?
He sure as heck hasn't actually done anything for me yet.

and yes he does help you anything good that happens to you(mainly) is from God

No, anything good that happens to me happened by chance, or by my actions. God didn't magicly go "Here, have an epic!", "You are worthy of a roll of 98, good job!" or "No no, you didn't get that good test grade, i did."

God didn't do anything about my roll, he didn't 'allow' me to find an epic, and i worked for the test grade, he didn't help me out on my test, because that's the same as saying "Well you got a bad test grade? Well, technically, god was still there, you should have studied harder."

let me bring this up if your an atheist which iam guessing....do you think after you die...you just die? nothing else?

Do you think when a chicken dies, he just dies? Nothing else?
Do you think when grass dies, it just dies? Nothing else?

When you go to sleep and dream, you aren't getting sent to some magic place where you dream, it's all in your head.

Well you're dead, so you won't be dreaming.

So yes, when you die, you're dead, you don't go up to some heavenly place, just as you won't go to some terrible place, because it's in your head.

and you just believe in nothing only evolution and instantaneous universe making?

No.
But i believe your points are going way off topic, you should address peoples responces, not post a list of questions.

[Hellson]

I'm not even going to get started with you Phase.

QFT

yay



now this
people that Believe in God are not stupid~correct
Iam not insecure nor scared for with my ~Father~ all my Fears Leave
God was not created at all....he was always existent you ask me how? hes GOD
and a quick way to explain things science couldn't?
Science has lost it's meaning trying to explain how the universe was made those scientists are fools now they say pork is good for you.....and they make up stupid things saying the Sun is bad for you
at first science i liked but when i heard this garbage there trying to say about evolution well one question....
Why isn't anything else Evolving....
~Phase228~

He's God? What if he is NOT God, what if he is some idea thought up by someone?
Yeah...yeah... twocents

[Phase228]

why do you people try and disprove God?
does it give you pleasure that you are trying to remove God from the world?
all those points i made you fools keep trying and disprove
you rely on science and the world to much to understand that there is God out there
He wasn't an idea thought up of somebody
i say this because God is more logical then some Boom and the universe is made
Why don't you just take what iam saying into consideration because apparently you think that what iam saying is pointless because iam not agreeing with you that God is fiction then tell me how am i living better then you?
true happiness only comes from one place that is God who gives Love and you people are really screwing with this
but if you don't care what i'am typing....then i guess you will see yourself when we all die

[Remahlól]

i say this because God is more logical then some Boom and the universe is made

This boom is actually the well known reaction of the praatom. (Alphaatom, or however you call it.)

But we could ask ourselves what was "there" before this "boom"?
We don't know, perhaps everything before the "boom" got destroyed by the "boom".

If the stuff before the boom weren't destroyed by the boom, then there actually is a 50%-50% chance that there even was/IS God "out there".

There is no scientistic ap(p?)rove which says what has been in the universe before the Big Bang, maybe there was an already existing civilization, we don't even know of because of the Big Bang, maybe there was a MMOwned.com Community, talking about this problem, and maybe the Big Bang even happened because they were talking about it =P.

But, this also means that God maybe existed with this civilization, maybe he was at their planet, as an Imperator or something similar. Maybe he even wasn't.

That's something we can't know exactly, in fact, nobody really can because nobody knows it.

why do you people try and disprove God?
does it give you pleasure that you are trying to remove God from the world?

God can't be removed from this world. He maybe can, by killing 60% of the world's population, but all the other religions know of "our" God, so trying to erase everything about him would probably mean deleting the human kind.

then i guess you will see yourself when we all die

This day will come. It's a fact. And I am also sure that there IS something after death, because just living - dying and then being gone forever makes no sense! (This might sound stupid, just as everything I wrote.)

[Phase228]

This boom is actually the well known reaction of the praatom. (Alphaatom, or however you call it.)

But we could ask ourselves what was "there" before this "boom"?
We don't know, perhaps everything before the "boom" got destroyed by the "boom".

If the stuff before the boom weren't destroyed by the boom, then there actually is a 50%-50% chance that there even was/IS God "out there".

There is no scientistic ap(p?)rove which says what has been in the universe before the Big Bang, maybe there was an already existing civilization, we don't even know of because of the Big Bang, maybe there was a MMOwned.com Community, talking about this problem, and maybe the Big Bang even happened because they were talking about it =P.

But, this also means that God maybe existed with this civilization, maybe he was at their planet, as an Imperator or something similar. Maybe he even wasn't.

That's something we can't know exactly, in fact, nobody really can because nobody knows it.
well i doubt there was something before us(people) and a mmowned...but still people in general can't know for a fact you can't discover God it's more of a feeling and faith...


God can't be removed from this world. He maybe can, by killing 60% of the world's population, but all the other religions know of "our" God, so trying to erase everything about him would probably mean deleting the human kind.
true but people still try and disprove him



This day will come. It's a fact. And I am also sure that there IS something after death, because just living - dying and then being gone forever makes no sense! (This might sound stupid, just as everything I wrote.)

yes that's also my point

[Enfeebleness]

why do you people try and disprove God?

Dumb question.

does it give you pleasure that you are trying to remove God from the world?

Uh.... sure?

all those points i made you fools keep trying and disprove, however in all fairness i haven't come up with any good points, and only respond making comments and asking questions

Fixed.

you rely on science and the world to much to understand that there is God out there

No, we believe in there having to be evidence for something before we go "Hey, this makes total sense to me, i think i'll stand behind it!"

We believe in logical decisions.
You believe in hocus pocus "he's there, you just never see him, never make contact with him, and never will notice him, but he's there"

He was an idea thought up of somebody

Fixed again.

i say this because God is more logical then some Boom and the universe is made

I know, i mean, saying "There must have been a boom before everything started" must have taken thousands of hours.

And saying "No no, there's a God, just only if you believe everything i tell you" must have taken, what, 45 seconds max?

Why don't you just take what iam saying into consideration because apparently you think that what iam saying is pointless

I bolded the main part of this sentence, go ahead and skip the rest if you want

because iam not agreeing with you that God is fiction then tell me how am i living better then you?

More bold, more time saved.

true happiness only comes from one place that is God who gives Love and you people are really screwing with this

So if you play World of Warcraft, or are very good in school or computers, god must hate you, is essentially what this is saying, with an actual topic. Think of how much 'love' those people get from others, or how much you attact the opposite sex.

Yeah. Exactly.

but if you don't care what i'am typing....then i guess you will see yourself when we all die

I don't care what you're typing.
I won't see myself when i die.

I'll more likely see the ceiling sitting in some bed, the ceiling fades, and it's over.
No magical "Hey, you believed in some made up story and passed our test, good job!", no "You've been bad, have fun!", you close your eyes, you're dead, The End.

[Phase228]

Dumb question.


Uh.... sure?


Fixed.


No, we believe in there having to be evidence for something before we go "Hey, this makes total sense to me, i think i'll stand behind it!"

We believe in logical decisions.
You believe in hocus pocus "he's there, you just never see him, never make contact with him, and never will notice him, but he's there"


Fixed again.


I know, i mean, saying "There must have been a boom before everything started" must have taken thousands of hours.

And saying "No no, there's a God, just only if you believe everything i tell you" must have taken, what, 45 seconds max?



I bolded the main part of this sentence, go ahead and skip the rest if you want



More bold, more time saved.




So if you play World of Warcraft, or are very good in school or computers, god must hate you, is essentially what this is saying, with an actual topic. Think of how much 'love' those people get from others, or how much you attact the opposite sex.

Yeah. Exactly.


I don't care what you're typing.
I won't see myself when i die.

I'll more likely see the ceiling sitting in some bed, the ceiling fades, and it's over.
No magical "Hey, you believed in some made up story and passed our test, good job!", no "You've been bad, have fun!", you close your eyes, you're dead, The End.

Enfeeblness

Why you such a
Ignorant person