PoEHUD - Overlay for Path of Exile (Updated for 3.0)

[Sychotix]

200% chance

IF you don't use the limited user method maybe. So far, there are no reports of bans while using the limited user method.

[MACROS4LIFE]

So, playing with PoeHud has a 100% chance to get banned?

Is it possible to play path of exile without poehud?

[AsylioN]

Anyone working on updating the stash API? StashElement was marked as obsolete some time ago and removed, but the new StashTabController does not have the methods required by plugins that work on the stash.

[EthEth]

PoEHUD safety report (took some time, gathering thouse accounts and configuring all the rig took its toll).

Short version: Tools works and is semi-safe. You need to use protection when using PoEHUD and still it can be detected (but with much effort on the GGG's side).

Long version
1. Accounts and set-up
For testing purposes I've gathered some accounts with different history to have better insight into GGGs methods of detecting 3rd party tools / bots. Ten is a small number, I know - but still - this gives us some risk-free information about the safety of 3rd party tools. I've focused more on acquiring accounts with rich history then using blank, newly-created accounts. Each account has it's own real / virtual machine and logs in from the same region where it was originaly active.
I was using PoEHUD with autopot routine and preload.
When boting, I was using ExiledBot.

I used three sets of accounts:

Set A "Fresh" - newly created after "the banwave". I presume that there were not flagged in any way and have no history.
Set B "Marked" - accounts that were warned about using 3rd party. They can (ARE!) flagged and can be always the subject of ant-cheat screening.
Set C "Unseen" - accounts without warnings or bans, but with rich history of using PoEHUD. They can be flagged, but I am not sure about this (two accounts were using PoEHUD after 3.0 patch and never got ban or warning).
Set D "Extreme" - two accounts that are in some way connected to the accounts banned in the last banwave. Used to say if they flag accounts involved in botting/3rd party and what do they do with them when they detect somethin fishy.

2. Tests
Sets were tested with these scenarios:
- using unprotected PoEHUD all the time,
- using protected PoEHUD all the time (run as restricted user, self-compiled poehud),
- using protected bot part-time (run as restricted; using for leveling and farming).

3. Results
Scenario I: unprotected PoEHUD ( Used: 7 accounts, Banned: 4)
* "Fresh": one account ok, one account got banned,
* "Marked": three accounts used, two accounts banned,
* "Unseen": one account used, one account banned (I've loved this one... RIP JoyJoy )
* "Extreme": not tested

Scenario II: protected PoEHUD ( Used: 8 accounts, Banned: 2)
* "Fresh": two accounts withtout warning, no bans
* "Marked": two accounts used, no account banned
* "Unseen": two accounts used, no bans
* "Extreme": two accounts used, both banned (note: one got banned for rtm without any rmt... I blame account rich history here)

Scenario III: protected bot ( Used: 3 accounts, Banned: 3)
* "Fresh": one account used, one account banned (note: goodbye boting? or maybe they just focus-scan fresh accounts?)
* "Marked": one account used, one account banned
* "Unseen": one account used, once account banned
* "Extreme": not tested

4. Summary
I've used 18 accounts and only half of them survived. I can say that bots (at least: public onces) are detectable for them (even when using protection). PoEHUD is semi-safe when you are using protection in form of user-restriction (sandboxing / runing as other user, etc...) and self-compilation. There is the hint that they may be focus-scanning people who got flagged. Using PoEHUD without any protection can result in ban, especially if you were flagged!

Thank you for your time and donated accounts - withouth thet kind of help it would not be possible to cover that much scenarios.

As always: the biggest thanks to PoEHUD team for bringing us marvelous QoL toolkit.

Edit:
Because people ask and will keep asking about how to run as limited user, here is instruction: https://www.ownedcore.com/forums/mmo...ited-user.html (Run PoE as a limited user)

[RatMonkey]

Bots are always detectable. If multiple people report someone for botting then it's only a matter of checking said bot. Random intervals do not save bots from predictable pathfinding and that in itself is easy to detect. Also, yes PoeHUD is detectable with "Effort", but really, after recent EU laws on privacy etc, it's cutting a dangerous road if they probing things that are nothing to do with PoE. Limiting PoeHUD to a restricted user works because it can't be accessed, but there are other ways to detect it. BattlEye got slammed pretty bad in the early days and actually received a C&D notice from a law firm. They changed their AC methods promptly after that.

[EthEth]

I agree that law is protecting us making anti-cheats harder thing to develope. But still: there is law, regulations and other theoretical (until verified by oneself) stuff, and there is testing what is the current state of the world around us. From the end-user perspective "EU law regulations makes this hard to detect" and "I've tested it and it is hard to detect" differ in the way how it is close to his own experience. I am working as QA Specialist for more then 10 year now and I know too well that what is on paper and what it is in the system can be very different.

Also: the question was not "is is detectable" but "to what extend our ass is covered".

Off-topic: law is waaaaay behind the Net reality and there will be a lot of stupid mess-fuckery on this battleground (because what a Prime Minister who is SCARED of technologi can say about privacy or new technologies?).

[CornFlake101]

tehcheat, when/if able, could you please restore the stash tab offsets for Movetostash/Stashie programs?

Thank you!

[omnivore]

Anyone have experience using Confuser? Do you need to add all the plugin's dll's to it also?

[asd3427]

Anyone can provide ''Run PoE as a limited user'' for pictures or videos. Thanks.

[RatMonkey]

Really hope TehCheat updates the StashElement offsets soon. It really is a huge QoL being able to use Stashie/MoveToStash. Doing the whole thing manually takes ages.

[dlr5668]

Anyone have experience using Confuser? Do you need to add all the plugin's dll's to it also?

Any kind of obfuscation is useless imo. You need to encrypt all strings first.
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[EthEth]

Anyone can provide ''Run PoE as a limited user'' for pictures or videos. Thanks.

Here: https://www.ownedcore.com/forums/mmo...ited-user.html (Run PoE as a limited user)

[MACROS4LIFE]

Really hope TehCheat updates the StashElement offsets soon. It really is a huge QoL being able to use Stashie/MoveToStash. Doing the whole thing manually takes ages.

yeahhhh. TehCHeat pleaaaaaase update it!!

manually managing stash is killing me already

[kevel1]

He will when he has time, he never skips out on us just takes patience.

[RatMonkey]

Made a temporary fix to MapsExchange to enable use of the Atlas / Inventory features. Stash features obviously don't work. I just */ the parts that link to StashPanel. Disregard once Stash is fixed by TehCheat.

GitHub - SquirrelRat/poehud_mapsexchange