Ide ?

[niGhTm4r3]

Hello guys.

I'm having a dilemma here. I don't know wich IDE to use
I'm currently using VS 2008 for C++, but the problem is, I am mostly interested in coding gui apps, wich can only be done in VS trough .NET, wich I dont realy enjoy :<

Wich IDE do you guys use?

[beephoenix]

Try using other gui library like wxWidgets or Qt or GTK etc. and throw VS away.
I think vim is a good ide

[Lockhead]

You don't have to use .net, you still can create MVC Applications in VS2k8 so you can create GUI Aps without problems.

You should look into Ecplise and QT or GTK as GUI Frameworks (GIMP and Pidgin using GTK).

But if you want to create a Windows Application that have the Look'n'Feel of XP/Vista/7 then there is no other way then .NET/WPF and for me I like the GUI Modeller alot. But if I create complex Apps with a lot of gui stuff i create those things my self, you don't have to use the gui modeller you can create all object at for your self.

Products &mdash; Qt – A cross-platform application and UI framework << for the QT Framework GUI Modeller

[Cypher]

I do all my programming in VS 2008 atm.


You don't need .NET to do GUI apps, libraries like wxWidges and QT can be used just fine in VS. Heck, some of them even have drag and drop plugins.

A graphical GUI editor though is not mandatory to write GUIs, using a resource editor you can create GUIs as complex as you want, you've just got to have the time and patience to do stuff manually

I think you're confused as to the difference between a programming IDE and a GUI library.

An IDE is just what you write your code in, it'll provide things like syntax highlighting, basic refactoring, etc. A GUI library is the API you use to create a GUI application, you can do that with the raw Win32 API, or get a crossplatform library. Either way though, you don't need a drag and drop editor, and if you do need one, they are available as plugins.

[niGhTm4r3]

I do all my programming in VS 2008 atm.


You don't need .NET to do GUI apps, libraries like wxWidges and QT can be used just fine in VS. Heck, some of them even have drag and drop plugins.

A graphical GUI editor though is not mandatory to write GUIs, using a resource editor you can create GUIs as complex as you want, you've just got to have the time and patience to do stuff manually

I think you're confused as to the difference between a programming IDE and a GUI library.

An IDE is just what you write your code in, it'll provide things like syntax highlighting, basic refactoring, etc. A GUI library is the API you use to create a GUI application, you can do that with the raw Win32 API, or get a crossplatform library. Either way though, you don't need a drag and drop editor, and if you do need one, they are available as plugins.

I do not confuse the two. I just don't like spending too much time on working on a gui, wich happens if you write the code manualy, maybe not that much, but enough.

The thing is, i would like my apps to be as portable as they can get, would prefer if there isn't any other library requirement besides the ones allready present in the system by default.
Thats why I'm looking for an IDE wich also has a graphical GUI editor. Fancy interfaces doesnt interest me, I only want usability, wich isn't too hard to achieve.

I've just compiled the minimal wx sample. The .exe has 2.5mb wich, IMO, is pretty big considering its only a frame with a menu. I like my apps as light as possible.

[niGhTm4r3]

Basicaly, what I am trying to do is write a native application, wich needs no other framework, or libraries besides those that come standard with Windows XP.

And I would pretty much rather the IDE to have a graphical editor for the GUI.

You don't have to use .net, you still can create MVC Applications in VS2k8 so you can create GUI Aps without problems.

You should look into Ecplise and QT or GTK as GUI Frameworks (GIMP and Pidgin using GTK).

But if you want to create a Windows Application that have the Look'n'Feel of XP/Vista/7 then there is no other way then .NET/WPF and for me I like the GUI Modeller alot. But if I create complex Apps with a lot of gui stuff i create those things my self, you don't have to use the gui modeller you can create all object at for your self.

Products &mdash; Qt – A cross-platform application and UI framework << for the QT Framework GUI Modeller

MVC, you mean MFC?

[Cypher]

I do not confuse the two. I just don't like spending too much time on working on a gui, wich happens if you write the code manualy, maybe not that much, but enough.

The thing is, i would like my apps to be as portable as they can get, would prefer if there isn't any other library requirement besides the ones allready present in the system by default.
Thats why I'm looking for an IDE wich also has a graphical GUI editor. Fancy interfaces doesnt interest me, I only want usability, wich isn't too hard to achieve.

I've just compiled the minimal wx sample. The .exe has 2.5mb wich, IMO, is pretty big considering its only a frame with a menu. I like my apps as light as possible.

You can write platform independent code from VS 2008, and 2.5MB is nothing. If you want tiny then don't use a huge cross-platform library. Sign.

At any rate, what you're saying makes no sense. So whatever. I think you're seriously misguided and confused as to how cross-platform programming and graphical programming actually works.

[apollo0510]

Hi nightmorpher,

personally, I prefer SlickEdit. For all languages.

I use it at work on my windows and the linux workstations.

I edit VS projects, gcc linux projects, XML files, scripts and all other text related stuff with it. It's very configurable and has the best C/C++ tagging engine.

One of its best features is the file compare tool. Once you used it, you don't want to miss it.

Greetings

Apollo