Status of HUD, Diablo and the community itself

[jman36]

To John,

A donation is on its way, friend. A small token of gratitude for your efforts and dedication to the community, past, present, and future! It doesn't come close to what you deserve for all of your time and dedication to your project, but I couldn't help but find a way to personally reach out and say, Thank you!

[User5981]

That thread : Ladies panicking and lads paying respect & giving gold.
Looks like we have a dragon approaching the village and the only hope is Knight John the Dragon Killer. :-p

[xblade2k7]

rip rip rip... please stop troll comments and patience... time to time... They are always the same, talking things that are not or do not know, if this to come to an end, we will not be the one to say it, it will be KJ, so please, stop talking nonsense and give time to people. Stop bothering that they look like children with a pacifier ...

[kroggy]

I'll happily donate again to keep KJ's interest in TH. As many others have voiced it already - the end of TH will mean the end of D3 for me.

[owen654321]

I'll happily donate again to keep KJ's interest in TH. As many others have voiced it already - the end of TH will mean the end of D3 for me.

I'm making slow progress on updating memory addresses. So far I haven't stumbled into anything extraordinary like that last patch with the "value obfuscation" madness. I will share with KJ and the rest of the community once I have something semi-working again. Still, unless KJ is much faster or has a lot more time on his hands than me, this is going to be a bit of a process (with plenty of trial and error involved, unfortunately!)

[DysfunctionaI]

[johnbl]

There will be a new patch on January right?

[owen654321]

Yep, but hitting F5 until then probably won't be sufficient to make thud work again

in all seriousness though, maybe it'd be best to keep blizzard in the dark even if we can get things working again before then...

[MlokCZ]

I have just made donation 10E (already my third donation) to KJ for his hard work on TH. Thanks KJ and others who's helping.

It would be nice to have TH for 2.6.1.55235, but much more important for me is to have TH in January for next bigger patch.

[dieudo]

Hello everyone!

To answer the first title of the post and to KJ:
D3 is just unplayable once you have tasted this game with THUD! For me, it's not just an "add on" ... it's by far the biggest patch ever on D3 and all the old and new official patches will never compete with your work.

I would like to add that: the biggest official patch on D3 was ROS, and we had to pay for it! And you ... You give us the result of your work for free for many years.

I hope that you can find a solution and, even if you can not find one ... You are and you will remain the best contributor that the D3 community can never have and for that, I can only thank you for the amount of work and effort that you provided to update and improve THUD just to satisfy us.

Words of the end:
- Thank you KJ (Again and again and again ...)
- Thanks to all plug in authors and designers who have further increase the power of THUD
- Thank you to everyone who helped and helps KJ from near and far.
- Thank you to the entire THUD community

"Special mention: Thanks to Enigma, of course, we do not forget you."

For me, D3 is off, let's see the future!

Don't blame me, this translate is 50 % from my part and 50 % from Google !

Cheers !

[iThinkiWin]

think ya should just hold off til next season start, most likely will be 2 patches one at season end adding in the new "content", and then another patch day before season release for last moment fixes to unbalance that will be made evident with more players using it, sort of like mark of death and other bugs only appearing outside of PTR. would be annoying to have to deal with all 3 in such a short span

[Rainarch]

Let's have a look at both the current situation, and the previous season of events for Diablo 3, HuD, and also a brief bit about the future.

Diablo 3, as a game, is slowly but surely dying off. Season 15 has been by far the most inactive season in the history of Diablo 3. EVER. The factors contributing to this is the simple fact the game is getting stale, but also the fact there has been absolutely no content releases or meta shakeups for 3 seasons, meaning people are sick of doing ~9months of the same meta and runs, in an already dying (or as most say, "dead" game)

On top of the inactivity of D3, there's also been some strong memory obfuscation attempts by blizzard to prevent bots, huds, and other 3rd party softwares from functioning correctly with diablo 3. These small patches only addressed MINOR bugs, and did nothing content wise, or balance wise.
Even with absolutely no balance or content releases coming out at all, blizzard is already putting strong pressure to dissuade 3rd party programs from working, even in a season with the all time lowest player activity.

Now we're about 3 weeks away from the season end; And blizzard has yet again put out another "does nothing" minor patch that once again breaks memory address of 3rd party tools.
Even if this patch didn't include any strong attempts to obfuscate memory, there is a MAJOR rebalancing patch coming out before the start of next season, less than a month away.

We can infer that if blizzard is obfuscating memory in non-gameplay changing patches during ~9 month old stale content seasons with the all time low player base in the history of D3, it is extremely likely that the influx of returning players for the new rebalance updates in Season 16 will only logically increase Blizzard's attempts to prevent bots and huds from working.
The amount of time and effort needed to get HuD working for the last 3 weeks of season, when the game is at an all-time low of players, just simply doesn't make too much sense with a new, MAJOR patch so close on the horizon.

And we know for a fact that the incoming Major rebalancing patch for Season 16 WILL definitely break HuDs and bots again.

After the embarrassing announcement of Diablo:Immortal, Blizzard needs to set an example, and improve their public view of the Diablo franchise, meaning they are under higher pressure than ever to improve the public image of Diablo 3, a game infamous for bots and botting. Whether this pressure correlates to extra memory obfuscation attempts remains to be seen, but logically speaking, seems quite likely to be the case.
To be perfectly honest, even the whole Season 16 re-balancing patch is just a bone thrown to try to pacify and keep the D3 community happy, it only includes braindead tweaks of multipliers and nothing innovative or new. Blizzard is DESPERATE to show that they are changing and maintaining Diablo 3. This likely means more updates, more banwaves, and more effort put into memory obfuscation and attempts to make the game more appealing to members outside of the D3 community, such that the Diablo 3 game reflects positively upon Blizzard's name.
All these factors simply make it more difficult, but also less rewarding, for a developer to maintain and update a 3rd party tool such as HuD.



THAT is the recent, current, and soon to be state of Diablo 3 as objectively as I can word it.



I've put over 3k hours into D3 over the past year, and none of it would have been very enjoyable if not for HuD. The first time blizzard obfuscated D3 memory were some of the least enjoyable weeks in Diablo 3 for me, ever. But thanks to Enigma's help, KJ and the D3 community got through it and survived to the current day. Now Enigma is gone, but his contributions won't be forgotten.

THuD is the best thing to ever happen to D3. On behalf of the thousands of players who will never, and have never ever bothered to make an account to post on the forums, I'd like to thank KJ for all his hard work over the years, and having to deal with all the whiney non-appreciative posters who take it for granted.

I do hope there is a future for HuD, as without HuD, Diablo is once and for all truly dead. But I don't see it becoming worthwhile to maintain anytime soon, unless someone takes the place of Enigma.

If not, then I can reasonably understand if THuD as a project is laid to rest, until the day Enigma, or someone similar, rouses hud back to life

[BoostedLsJuan]

Let's have a look at both the current situation, and the previous season of events for Diablo 3, HuD, and also a brief bit about the future.

Diablo 3, as a game, is slowly but surely dying off. Season 15 has been by far the most inactive season in the history of Diablo 3. EVER. The factors contributing to this is the simple fact the game is getting stale, but also the fact there has been absolutely no content releases or meta shakeups for 3 seasons, meaning people are sick of doing ~9months of the same meta and runs, in an already dying (or as most say, "dead" game)

On top of the inactivity of D3, there's also been some strong memory obfuscation attempts by blizzard to prevent bots, huds, and other 3rd party softwares from functioning correctly with diablo 3. These small patches only addressed MINOR bugs, and did nothing content wise, or balance wise.
Even with absolutely no balance or content releases coming out at all, blizzard is already putting strong pressure to dissuade 3rd party programs from working, even in a season with the all time lowest player activity.

Now we're about 3 weeks away from the season end; And blizzard has yet again put out another "does nothing" minor patch that once again breaks memory address of 3rd party tools.
Even if this patch didn't include any strong attempts to obfuscate memory, there is a MAJOR rebalancing patch coming out before the start of next season, less than a month away.

We can infer that if blizzard is obfuscating memory in non-gameplay changing patches during ~9 month old stale content seasons with the all time low player base in the history of D3, it is extremely likely that the influx of returning players for the new rebalance updates in Season 16 will only logically increase Blizzard's attempts to prevent bots and huds from working.
The amount of time and effort needed to get HuD working for the last 3 weeks of season, when the game is at an all-time low of players, just simply doesn't make too much sense with a new, MAJOR patch so close on the horizon.

And we know for a fact that the incoming Major rebalancing patch for Season 16 WILL definitely break HuDs and bots again.

After the embarrassing announcement of Diablo:Immortal, Blizzard needs to set an example, and improve their public view of the Diablo franchise, meaning they are under higher pressure than ever to improve the public image of Diablo 3, a game infamous for bots and botting. Whether this pressure correlates to extra memory obfuscation attempts remains to be seen, but logically speaking, seems quite likely to be the case.
To be perfectly honest, even the whole Season 16 re-balancing patch is just a bone thrown to try to pacify and keep the D3 community happy, it only includes braindead tweaks of multipliers and nothing innovative or new. Blizzard is DESPERATE to show that they are changing and maintaining Diablo 3. This likely means more updates, more banwaves, and more effort put into memory obfuscation and attempts to make the game more appealing to members outside of the D3 community, such that the Diablo 3 game reflects positively upon Blizzard's name.
All these factors simply make it more difficult, but also less rewarding, for a developer to maintain and update a 3rd party tool such as HuD.



THAT is the recent, current, and soon to be state of Diablo 3 as objectively as I can word it.



I've put over 3k hours into D3 over the past year, and all of it would not have been even marginally very enjoyable without HuD. The first time blizzard obfuscated D3 memory were some of the least enjoyable weeks in Diablo 3 for me, ever. But thanks to Enigma's help, KJ and the D3 community got through it and survived to the current day. Now Enigma is gone, but his contributions won't be forgotten.

THuD is the best thing to ever happen to D3. On behalf of the thousands of players who will never, and have never ever bothered to make an account to post on the forums, I'd like to thank KJ for all his hard work over the years, and having to deal with all the whiney non-appreciative posters who take it for granted.

I do hope there is a future for HuD, as without HuD, Diablo is once and for all truly dead. But I don't see it becoming worthwhile to maintain anytime soon, unless someone takes the place of Enigma.

If not, then I can reasonably understand if THuD as a project is laid to rest, until the day Enigma, or someone similar, rouses hud back to life

From D1 to now i've played the game, bought D3 pre-order and got my Siberia200 Headphones that lasted me 8 years, I gave up when season 1 was launched as I felt they lost the direction of character building and itemization to simplify a game that never needed to be. To see turbohud at season 15 so late into seasons and the way it displays server to client given information as something we wish we always had from day 1 within Diablo 1 to now. I feel it'd almost be too late if they actually gave you the support and integration you deserve..

I'd like to THANK YOU also KJ, you've re-ignited a flame for the game that died long long ago.

[Zeemus]

The lifespan of this thread:

-New patch comes out, breaks THUD
-Leeches flood the site freaking out about getting a new version of a free addon asap.
-Speculation on the addon's death begins roughly an hour after a patch, and until a new version eventually comes out because KJ is a god among men.
-Site reverts back to a ghost town.

Please, stop. You have two options:

-Donate and wait
-Don't donate and wait

[KillerJohn]

I'm making slow progress on updating memory addresses. So far I haven't stumbled into anything extraordinary like that last patch with the "value obfuscation" madness. I will share with KJ and the rest of the community once I have something semi-working again. Still, unless KJ is much faster or has a lot more time on his hands than me, this is going to be a bit of a process (with plenty of trial and error involved, unfortunately!)

I really really really want to get back those good old times when my problem was to find the new addresses and offsets

Yep, but hitting F5 until then probably won't be sufficient to make thud work again

in all seriousness though, maybe it'd be best to keep blizzard in the dark even if we can get things working again before then...

I pressed F5 in Visual Studio today more than enough - to make HUD work again

I have just made donation 10E (already my third donation) to KJ for his hard work on TH. Thanks KJ and others who's helping.

It would be nice to have TH for 2.6.1.55235, but much more important for me is to have TH in January for next bigger patch.

Thank you very much!

The lifespan of this thread:

-New patch comes out, breaks THUD
-Leeches flood the site freaking out about getting a new version of a free addon asap.
-Speculation on the addon's death begins roughly an hour after a patch, and until a new version eventually comes out because KJ is a god among men.
-Site reverts back to a ghost town.

Please, stop. You have two options:

-Donate and wait
-Don't donate and wait

This is the best post here, ever Made me laugh so hard.
Your bounty reward: 18.12.13.0 BETA for Diablo III 2.6.1.55235 (v8.0)

Because Enigma is gone, I had to hire a professional to help me (and I am not talking about psychiatrist). Enjoy!