[Rogue] PvE mutilate

[Smygelito]

Hello there everyone!
I recently saw fandehgo521 guide about Rogue Pve as combat speced.
(Link: http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-gu...e-raiding.html)

I will focus this guide on how to PvE on a mutilate speced rogue.

I'm currently playing with this specc:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft But i might try this one soon: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0ef0exoVboIuVo0gV0oZxb

I'm not hit capped, thats why i have spent talents in Quick recovery. If you are hit capped you could skip those and put them in Find weakness instead.
I like vigor too but that can be skipped if you dont like it.


So for you that are new to PvE mutilate might wonder what cycle i should follow. Well there is no exact cycle. Its very dynamic and requires you to actively watch for timers on your debuffs, and buffs alike.
Tip: Get a tracking addon.Ex: NeedToKnow from curse.
There are things to keep in mind tho:

Cut the Chase is one of the greatest talents in PvE. It makes it possible to refresh your SnD with a landing Evicerate/Envenom.

So generally start of with a Garrot followed by a SnD and HfB.
Remember that you only have 1 CP after garrot. You got about 9 secs to apply Hunger for blood 1-2 Mutilates for 4-5 CPs and then envenom/evicerate to refresh SnD duration to max.
After SnD is refreshed mutilate once or twice to 4-5CP and then do a garrot.

If HfB is dropping below 3 seconds, refresh it. The reason i pick 3 secs is because latency,GCD and other stuffs can screw you over and mess with your cycle.

If Rupture is still up, use Envenom, if deadly poison is not stacked to the same amount as your CP, pool your energy and use it at the last possible moment, preferably right after a Deadly Poison tick to maximize its effect.

Always give HfB priority on being refreshed over SnD.
Always give SnD priority on being refreshed over rupture.

So HfB>Envenom(SnD refresh)>Rupture>EA

Have in mind: If you are not hit capped your envenom/evicerate can imss. If you wait untill you have 1-2 secs left on SnD and then try to refresh it you might miss and you'll have to waste energy, time and CPs to get a new SnD running. It's not a very big deal but it will lower you dps if it happends to often.

But how do i get hit capped?

Hit Table (The Hit Table is taken from roguerogue.com)
This all assumes 5/5 Precision.

With no added buffs or debuffs:
Specials: 99
Poisons: 315
White: 722

With either Imp FF or Misery:
Specials: 99
Poisons: 237
White: 722

With either Imp FF or Misery and Heroic Presence:
Specials: 66
Poisons: 210
White: 689

Poisons:
With the new poison change i run with instant poison in MH and Deadly poison in OH. The reason you keep Instant Poison on your mainhand, is because you have a chance at proccing poisons when using mutilate and finishers. The key is to have a slow weapon in MH and a fast in OH so im playing with Knife of incision (1,80 speed) in MH and Librarians Paper Cutter (1,30speed) in OH.

You might say that you want to start dps asap and dont want to wait for OH to procc. But the Mutilate +20% dmg works with hunters serpent sting too so you shouldent worry about that.

Glyphs:

The three most used Major glyphs are those 3.
Glyph of Hunger for Blood
Glyph of Mutilate
Glyph of Rupture

You might want to try to skip Glyph of mutilate for Glyph of Vigor if you tend to spec in that one.


Enchants

Weapon:
Enchant Weapon - Berserking
Helm:
Arcanum of Torment
Shoulders:
Greater Inscription of the Axe
Master’s Inscription of the Axe - Inscription only -
Chest:
Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats
Cloak:
Enchant Cloak - Major Agility
Swordguard Embroidery - Tailoring only -
Bracers:
Enchant Bracers - Greater Assault
Fur Lining - Attack Power - Leatherworking only -
Gloves:
Enchant Gloves - Crusher
Hyperspeed Accelerators - Engineering only -
Legs:
Icescale Leg Armor
Boots:
Enchant Boots - Icewalker
Belt:
Eternal Belt Buckle
Rings:
Enchant Ring - Assault - Enchanting only -

I would do so you can hover with your mouse over the enchants and see them but i dont know how to do that.

Shortenings i use: SnD - Slice and Dice, HfB - Hunger for Blood,
EA - Expose Amor, CP - Combo Points, FF - Faeiry Fire.

Thats about it. Please come with constructive criticism so i can inprove in typos, colors/layout and adding further things.

-Smygelito

[terradragon]

Seems pretty nice, but you should drop 1 point from precision to imp snd for the lack of the glyph.

Also tell which weapons you are using before saying that you say that you use instant poison on main hand and deadly on off hand. Slow = IP, fast = DP

And the last mistake is that your attacks only get dodged or parried if you don't have EXPERTISE capped not HIT! Hit makes them hit the target.

Other than that it's pretty fine and dandy and +rep from me

P.S.

Forgot to say that it doesn't matter wheater you are hit capped or not always take take find weakness.

[BaboonX]

How much dps do you get in raids compared to combat?

[riskymilk]

Seems like a decent guide, but I have a few suggestions

"If HfB is dropping below 5 seconds, refresh it"

This may have been the case before then changed HfB, but if you are refreshing HfB 5 seconds early everytime you are losing energy/dps. HfB is only applied once per minute now, so just pool your energy correctly and refresh it when it has <1 seconds left.

"Tip: Get a tracking addon" ---NeedToKnow is the best. I got mine on curse.

Another thing to monitor is if there is a warrior in the raid. Some warriors still apply sunder, but a lot dont. With the changes to armor debuffs, expose armor is easily put into our "rotation" and should be kept up at all times assuming there is no armor debuff on the target. A 5 point expose will improve YOUR dps, and everyone elses.

In 4/5 T7.5 and 2 sinister revenges, I've pretty much capped at about 5.7k dps on grand widow, and have yet to see any combat rogue come close. Workin on Ulduar...

[Smygelito]

Thanks for the tips guys. About the hit and expertise thing i ment miss not dodge. i will edit the original post and yes i missed my weapons.

[Prince489]

Never ever ever take vigor, it is completly useless. also Quick Recovery shouldn't be taken as PVE - you should have 99 hit on level 80 no matter what.

Instead take Findweakness = more dps. thus should be picked.

Question about gap between combat and mutilate; I think the gap is at max between 200-300dps. but that all matter on your ruthlessness procs ( if mutilate ), because 4 points > 5 pointers because so much energy for 1 CP is useless.

Still mutilate does very good dmg I just managed to do 5.2k dps in 4/5 t7.5 and other pre3.1 gear.

[Martin240]

This guide seems useless compared to this one:

Pocket Guide to WOTLK (updated for 3.1) - Elitist Jerks

Why do you try to create something that already exists? That's like reinventing the wheel. Unnecessary to say that this makes no sense and there are obvious mistakes in this one like the talents and glyphs. Vigor is so dumb to put points into or glyph...