Arthas117's Unholy DK PVP GUIDE!

[Cypherz]

As mentioned before this is a terribad guide, how the hell are you supposed to PS>IT>COI AND DS without ERW/BT ?_?

[Dankone]

Wow, uh... It's good that you're trying but this is an absolutely horrid guide. I'll start with the spec

-Scourge Strike is completely necessary to play Unholy correctly. Hell, you had enough points to get it but you got Bone Armor instead. Death Strike is a waste of runes, and healing from Rune Tap should be good enough to keep you alive.
-Night of the Dead is a must have for competitive PvP. Your ghoul is a huge part of how you play.
-Reaping is a must have.
-Outbreak? Corpse Explosion? I thought this was a PvP build, not an AoE build.
-1/5 Anticipation? Put that in Virulence, at least.
-You don't need Unholy Presence, since you are PvPing. You are PvPing in Unholy.. right? GCD reduction is not something to turn a blind eye to.

This is a mediocre spec for a Death Knight that is leveling, but it's horrible at 80. Don't do this.

[Arthas117]

Sorry but this is an absolutely TERRIBLE guide.

You don't even have scourge strike.

No, it's cuz I'm speccing a smarter way than full Unholy, and if you don't know that Scourge Strike requries 40 points in Unholy: STOP PLAYING PRIVATE SERVERS!

I'm speccing 38 points in Unholy and rest in Blood, means I can't have Scourge Strike. And even if I could, I would NOT use it!

[Arthas117]

Lol, worst guide i've ever seen
Noone needs a guide to play dk, they are so over powered!
As far i can see you are even clicking the abilities.. Good PvP'ers are using key bindings :P

1. Says the leecher.
2. I'm not a clicker.
3. I've been to SWP in pre wotlk and I'm pretty sure I kick your a$$ at WoW.

[Arthas117]

First of all, that would be the worst guide I have ever seen. The talent spec is really bad, both for leveling and pvp'ing, I mean.. Corpse Explosion? And what about getting Scourge Strike? You can just see by your browser window that you're a 15 year old trying to get some +rep, having the google, yahoo and avg hotbars :S ? Standard UI, no keybindings. You have no idea what you are talking about. And why would you even bother pvp'ing being under lvl 80?

1. Got bored of Boring Tundra so I gone to Orgrimmar and duelled some people but it was boring as well so I made this guide.
2. I don't know why I pressed Corpse Explosion lol,
3. Scourge Strike is not important, and without it you wouldn't have the +4% heals on every hit you can get by this specc.

[Arthas117]

Wow, uh... It's good that you're trying but this is an absolutely horrid guide. I'll start with the spec

-Scourge Strike is completely necessary to play Unholy correctly. Hell, you had enough points to get it but you got Bone Armor instead. Death Strike is a waste of runes, and healing from Rune Tap should be good enough to keep you alive.
-Night of the Dead is a must have for competitive PvP. Your ghoul is a huge part of how you play.
-Reaping is a must have.
-Outbreak? Corpse Explosion? I thought this was a PvP build, not an AoE build.
-1/5 Anticipation? Put that in Virulence, at least.
-You don't need Unholy Presence, since you are PvPing. You are PvPing in Unholy.. right? GCD reduction is not something to turn a blind eye to.

This is a mediocre spec for a Death Knight that is leveling, but it's horrible at 80. Don't do this.

I've killed most level 80 rogues/mages in this specc, even if I'm only level 70. I just made a guide how to PvP the way I do, and it works perfect for me but I guess you suck too much to even try this.

[Arthas117]

Wow, uh... It's good that you're trying but this is an absolutely horrid guide. I'll start with the spec

-Scourge Strike is completely necessary to play Unholy correctly. Hell, you had enough points to get it but you got Bone Armor instead. Death Strike is a waste of runes, and healing from Rune Tap should be good enough to keep you alive.
-Night of the Dead is a must have for competitive PvP. Your ghoul is a huge part of how you play.
-Reaping is a must have.
-Outbreak? Corpse Explosion? I thought this was a PvP build, not an AoE build.
-1/5 Anticipation? Put that in Virulence, at least.
-You don't need Unholy Presence, since you are PvPing. You are PvPing in Unholy.. right? GCD reduction is not something to turn a blind eye to.

This is a mediocre spec for a Death Knight that is leveling, but it's horrible at 80. Don't do this.

I've killed most level 80 rogues/mages in this specc, even if I'm only level 70. I just made a guide how to PvP the way I do, and it works perfect for me but I guess you suck too much to even try this.

And I know I'm lazy, way too lazy to even level up ten levels. But why do you care about my guide?

[Dankone]

I've killed most level 80 rogues/mages in this specc, even if I'm only level 70. I just made a guide how to PvP the way I do, and it works perfect for me but I guess you suck too much to even try this.

Coming straight out with the ad hominem, are you? Alright, I tried to be nice, but since you have showed the initiative I shall oblige. I'm experienced enough to know that trying this build out would be a waste of 100 gold. Looking at your new spec, it is a fair improvement over the last one, but still many bad choices were made. Your spec is functional enough to allow you to kill unexperienced players, but your naivete still shines through. Allow me to elaborate.

-You still stuck with, nay, added points to, anticipation over much more useful talents like Virulence. Once you get into competitive PvP (Not horrible players you see hanging outside of Orgrimmar. If you call yourself skilled just because you've dueled a couple of 80's, I'm sorry to say that I must disagree with you), cleansing diseases and missed icy touches become an issue. Anticipation performs a particular function, and that is in PvE for tanking. Morbidity is the better choice, not because of the cooldown on DND (Although it ise nice), but because of the 15% addition to damage on your primary Runic Power dump.
-Your omission of several key talents, one of which I already addressed above, baffles me. You've taken Outbreak, which adds a paltry amount of damage to your plague strike ability (Which you will only be using every ~20 seconds on average, assuming you have glyphed for Scourge Strike, which is a must) and an even more insignificant amount of damage to your Blood Boil, which most Death Knights don't even have hotkeyed. Gargoyle is one of the most overpowered spells in the game currently, I can say with full confidence. It attacks until it is killed, 30 seconds is up, or you run out of RP to feed it, dealing a significant amount of damage that you don't even need to be in range, or LOS for.
-Army of the Dead is missing, and I have stated my reasons for including this talent in my original response to this thread.
-You are missing a third disease, Crypt Fever/Ebon Plaguebringer. A third disease is what the entire Unholy tree is built upon. 30% damage to diseases notwithstanding, 13% to magic damage from Ebon Plaguebriger is monumental. Your scourge strike, since it does shadow damage, gains 13% damage.
-Points in Bloody Strikes is wasted. Blood Strikes are something that are a sort of "bonus". Expending resources on something you use every other rotation is not a wise decision.
-Mark of Blood is the best tool you have when you're dealing with just about anybody who might kill you otherwise. Most players don't pay any heed to their debuffs, and that is to your advantage. Put this up on a rogue and you will end the fight with 100%.

Finally, let's put that all together and make a better build. (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfmMq...MGhbfkgco0foux)

-3 Bloody Strikes
+1 Mark of Blood
-1 Bladed Armor
-3 Anticipation
+3 Morbidity
-3 Outbreak
+3 Virulence
-3 Necrosis
+3 Blood-caked Blade
+2 Dirge
+1 Summon Gargoyle
-5 Desecration
-1 Anti-magic Zone
-5 Magic Suppression
+2 Night of the Dead
+3 Crypt Fever
+3 Ebon Plaguebringer
+5 Rage of Rivendare

I've done arenas up to 1700+ in 2v2's (hopefully more next week with the upper bound raised to 2800) with AMZ and Desecration. I've carefully considered everything they bring, and have decided that they are both very expensive for what they bring. Desecration is useful, yes, but a player will only be in it for ~1-2 seconds before moving out, a situation in which Chains of Ice would be much more useful. Anti-magic zone WOULD still be worth the points were the duration still 30 seconds, but alas, it's been nerfed down to 10, and is not worth the 6 points that must be allocated to it.

Gains with this spec, among others:
-Much more survivability with ghoul (And freedom to Death Pact+Resummon almost all the time)
-1.13*11.0=124.3% gain to Scourge Strike damage over your last spec, plus the third disease
-1.15*1.1*1.13=142.945% gain to Death Coil
-Constant damage from Gargoyle even though DG/Chains of Ice/Gnaw is not available

Edit: On a final note, Cinderglacier<<<<<<Fallen Crusader.

[Arthas117]

Coming straight out with the ad hominem, are you? Alright, I tried to be nice, but since you have showed the initiative I shall oblige. I'm experienced enough to know that trying this build out would be a waste of 100 gold. Looking at your new spec, it is a fair improvement over the last one, but still many bad choices were made. Your spec is functional enough to allow you to kill unexperienced players, but your naivete still shines through. Allow me to elaborate.

-You still stuck with, nay, added points to, anticipation over much more useful talents like Virulence. Once you get into competitive PvP (Not horrible players you see hanging outside of Orgrimmar. If you call yourself skilled just because you've dueled a couple of 80's, I'm sorry to say that I must disagree with you), cleansing diseases and missed icy touches become an issue. Anticipation performs a particular function, and that is in PvE for tanking. Morbidity is the better choice, not because of the cooldown on DND (Although it ise nice), but because of the 15% addition to damage on your primary Runic Power dump.
-Your omission of several key talents, one of which I already addressed above, baffles me. You've taken Outbreak, which adds a paltry amount of damage to your plague strike ability (Which you will only be using every ~20 seconds on average, assuming you have glyphed for Scourge Strike, which is a must) and an even more insignificant amount of damage to your Blood Boil, which most Death Knights don't even have hotkeyed. Gargoyle is one of the most overpowered spells in the game currently, I can say with full confidence. It attacks until it is killed, 30 seconds is up, or you run out of RP to feed it, dealing a significant amount of damage that you don't even need to be in range, or LOS for.
-Army of the Dead is missing, and I have stated my reasons for including this talent in my original response to this thread.
-You are missing a third disease, Crypt Fever/Ebon Plaguebringer. A third disease is what the entire Unholy tree is built upon. 30% damage to diseases notwithstanding, 13% to magic damage from Ebon Plaguebriger is monumental. Your scourge strike, since it does shadow damage, gains 13% damage.
-Points in Bloody Strikes is wasted. Blood Strikes are something that are a sort of "bonus". Expending resources on something you use every other rotation is not a wise decision.
-Mark of Blood is the best tool you have when you're dealing with just about anybody who might kill you otherwise. Most players don't pay any heed to their debuffs, and that is to your advantage. Put this up on a rogue and you will end the fight with 100%.

Finally, let's put that all together and make a better build. (Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft)

-3 Bloody Strikes
+1 Mark of Blood
-1 Bladed Armor
-3 Anticipation
+3 Morbidity
-3 Outbreak
+3 Virulence
-3 Necrosis
+3 Blood-caked Blade
+2 Dirge
+1 Summon Gargoyle
-5 Desecration
-1 Anti-magic Zone
-5 Magic Suppression
+2 Night of the Dead
+3 Crypt Fever
+3 Ebon Plaguebringer
+5 Rage of Rivendare

I've done arenas up to 1700+ in 2v2's (hopefully more next week with the upper bound raised to 2800) with AMZ and Desecration. I've carefully considered everything they bring, and have decided that they are both very expensive for what they bring. Desecration is useful, yes, but a player will only be in it for ~1-2 seconds before moving out, a situation in which Chains of Ice would be much more useful. Anti-magic zone WOULD still be worth the points were the duration still 30 seconds, but alas, it's been nerfed down to 10, and is not worth the 6 points that must be allocated to it.

Gains with this spec, among others:
-Much more survivability with ghoul (And freedom to Death Pact+Resummon almost all the time)
-1.13*11.0=124.3% gain to Scourge Strike damage over your last spec, plus the third disease
-1.15*1.1*1.13=142.945% gain to Death Coil
-Constant damage from Gargoyle even though DG/Chains of Ice/Gnaw is not available

Edit: On a final note, Cinderglacier<<<<<<Fallen Crusader.

I see... Well that's how you specc, and this thread shows how I specc. Like my specc can't be wrong i I made it, but thanks anyway!

[sinfulsubzero]

nice guide but i have a question in my server, Nazjatar, I am horde and i have fought many unholy Dks that were alliance and destroyed them with my frost with pet hybrid. truly i think it comes down to the player when dks fight since it can truly go either way if you know how to counter.

[Arthas117]

nice guide but i have a question in my server, Nazjatar, I am horde and i have fought many unholy Dks that were alliance and destroyed them with my frost with pet hybrid. truly i think it comes down to the player when dks fight since it can truly go either way if you know how to counter.

Agreed.

I'm kinda good in PvE as frost, but in PvP I'm only good as Unholy. I'm sick at Blood non-disease grinding but that doesn't count to the PvP. I recomend to choice the specc you want, but if you prefer doing unholy this is how I'd recomend to specc... :P

Thanks btw

[Dankone]

Pro thread necro