Tips 'n tricks for rogues [PvP] 1.1

[Lahtaaja]

ok... lets start

Things added: Shaman, Warlock, restealth

1) Poisons?
Always Crippling in offhand! Wound poison in mainhand... BUT if you have warrior using MS, then i recommend Mind Numbing

2) what to do against x class?

Druid
I'd open with cheap shot
while they are NOT in bear/boomkin stunlock and try to take druid out fast as you can, if they get to bear/boomking form DO NOT USE eviscrate, i recommend rupture, EA or slice and dice
don't let them use regrowth/healing touch!!!! [<- Healing Touch, LOL]
instant cast heals can't be avoided , so wound poison is really good against these guys
Resto druids: Long Fights, hard to over DPS resto druids when they are in bear form and all HOTs up
Feral druids: Even harder than Restos. Try to get them down when they are in cat form, else... you'll be eaten by a bear.
Balance: Easiest of druids, high armor though. Don't let Boomkins kite you, interrupt cyclones and roots, that should do it.

Hunter
They got flare, omg!
But you'll probably have "Dirty Tricks" so you can sap them, then wait for flare to disappear and disarm trap (if they made one)
Cheap Shot, then kidney shot, make sure you got crippling poison in hunter so they can't get away.
If they manage to get away, blind!
You can also try to gouge/cripple their pet.
Beware of Red Mode of Death, then you'll probably die, unless vanish works.
Wouldn't suggest using eviscrate.
BM hunters: Just try to avoid hunter when he is in Red Mode of Death, after that they are piece of cake
MM huns: Very nice damage, cripple them
Surv huns: same as MM, don't let them kite you down.

Mage
Open with Garrote, when they decide to blink do what ever it takes to get back to mage. Don't let them kite!
Ice Block??? Time for vanish! Vanish in CD? Bandage
FIRE: PvE usually, lots of damage in no time, but no survivability
FROST: Just stay near them, don't let them do anything, ShS is great against mages
ARCANE: never met one....

Paladin
Normal Stunlock.
Keep Rupture up, but i'd keep 25 energy ready to kick paladins when they are going to heal.
OK.... Then they bubble. You can try to restealth.
Really hard opponent though.
No Eviscrate
Retri Palas: Lot of damage! /cast evasion
Holy Palas: Do NOT let them heal, gouge, kick, stuns, AT etc.
Prot Pala: Hitted 400 with 5 combo eviscrate once , pretty hard, long and boring fight, if they manage to heal themselves you have to start all over again [except you don't have 100% HP], bleed is MUST against Protections.

Priest
Normal Stunlock, once again.
Then they probably fear you and heal themselves up... UNLESS you trinket and kick them.
(If you get kited by a Priest, consider suicide)
Keep energy to interrupt heals.
I know, their PW:Shield is annoying, but there is nothing you can do about it, except silence.
Cloak of Shadows can piss them off....
Disc Priest: They make some damage, have bubble that absorbs alot of damage, very good heals, Pain suppression <- hard opponent
Shadow priest: Lots of damage and bubble, Cloak of Shadows is pretty common sense, easier than disc.....
Holy priest: LOL, like disc priests, but better heals, no survivability = piece of cake

Shaman
Stunlock, no eviscrate
Just save energy to interrupt heals, haven't fought mutch against shamans...
Destroy Poison cleansing totem if they make one, fire totems should also be destroyed, don't use special attacks to totems.
If they make the start.... rough ride.....
Enchantment: These make lots of damage, use evasion, they aren't very durable though, you should win them.
Elemental: They will prolly try to kite you, just don't let them cast [kick, gouge etc.] won't make much damage then, don't let them heal or you have to start again...
Restoration: Fire totems are like 50% of their damage, but they almost never go oom, I know, hard to interrupt heals, very long fight, bleeds help alot...

Warlock
Easiest opponent, don't let them fear, cloak of shadows out of dots, stunlock...
Crippling poison makes sure they aren't going anywhere, they will prolly throw a death coil and fear then, trinket out of it and keep nuking...
Not mutch armor, high health though
All Speccs: Just kill....
Warrior
Very feared opponent, Stunlock.
Don't know about expose armor (improved one)... -3000 armor, about +20% damage
You have about 30% chance to beat warrior, if warrior hasn't better gear
Normal [MS] warrior: OMG, you died
Fury warrior: alot easier than Arms
Prot warrior: Block, dodge, parry, block, miss, 100 crit! just bleed them alot.
NO EVISCRATE

Rogue
Stunlock OR garrote + kidney, they'll probably trinket when you use kidney shot.
Use Blind To Bandage/Restealth
Gouge to Restealth, or annoy them.
Cloak of shadows removes poisons.
Bleed them so they can't make long vanishes.
Evasion FTW.
ShS: Best stealthers, don't be suprised when you get stunlocked, bleed please.
Mutilate: Just don't let them get behind you!
Combat: Stunlock, few mutilates/hemos/SS's, Easy!
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3) Talents...
Pretty basic, but popular... Shadowstep! ShS build
Great Mobility, good AP, good crit, double cooldowns, very good stealth... don't forget threat reduction xD

Or something like this, combat... good with healer Combat Build
Aderaline rush = spam SS, blade flurry, DISARM, 5.5 sec gouge, good hit chance

Mutilate, great fun, like combat... good with healer
Mutilate
More speed, snare resist, extra healing, finishing move spam, insane poisons... just get daggers

4) Some tips:
[For Belfs] When rogue vanishes you can use Arcane Torrent to get them back to fight.
Sap your opponents before starting the fight.
When "you are too far away!" from the target riding by, you can distract them... if they are auto running they run straight to you.
[Especially for those with improved gouge] Gouge your enemy and start running, then stealth when out of combat, sprint helps a bit (Make sure you donn't have dots on you).

5) Gear
season1 is easy to get, end of the story

Big list of macros
Lots of macros

Thank you :wave:

oh yes, forgot... You should jump behind your enemy all the time, it looks like ninja and your enemy SHOULD NOT be able to dodge/parry your strikes [and cast's interrupt {line of sight}].
And Yes, i wrote this all by myself [Writed to notepad first, then copy/pasted here and added links]

[snazzyjdawg]

Glad that you took the time to right this all our but sorry to say its the worst rogue guide EVER. end of story

[Lahtaaja]

How come? (space filler)
EDIT: This might be nothing new to those who have played rogue for long......

[Yamanaki]

How come? (space filler)
EDIT: This might be nothing new to those who have played rogue for long......

I play Rogue since beginning of 2006 and learned a few tricks. PvP wasnt my game back then though, only recently it has. Hence I didnt knew some stuff.

[BloodhoofMage]

Lol if you are a rogue and you dont know how to play ur class at 70, u might concider to rol an other class....

[Earelad]

thanks will rep when I can! "_"

[Lahtaaja]

Lol if you are a rogue and you dont know how to play ur class at 70, u might concider to rol an other class....

This all is pretty common sense, but not all know this....

Or someone just E-Bayed his/her rogue

[Debt]

Umm ye i fixed those shit specs you seem to have made
Sub: WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Rogue -> Talent Calculator

Mutilate:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Rogue -> Talent Calculator

Combat:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Rogue -> Talent Calculator

These are all best for PVP/Arena, I dont care how much they may or may not fail in pve

[Tenni-T]

+rep for the contribution, and keep on addin constructable critique and add ideas guys.. But do so in a civilized manner.

Tenned.

[Lahtaaja]

Umm ye i fixed those shit specs you seem to have made

(Sub) I personally favor imp EA more than that poison thing [useful in my 5v5, we got 2 ms warriors], not a big change though

(Assasination) Ok, that might be better :P

(Combat) Just no

[morosear]

thanks for sharing the guide ^^

[Kubiatsu]

Umm ye i fixed those shit specs you seem to have made
Sub: WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Rogue -> Talent Calculator

Mutilate:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Rogue -> Talent Calculator

Combat:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Rogue -> Talent Calculator

These are all best for PVP/Arena, I dont care how much they may or may not fail in pve

Perhaps the worst mutilate spec ive ever seen, and yes I do play as mutilate 2k+ in two brackets and ive never seen anyone with this spec. If you want to go mutilate you go deep poisons for obvious reasons, e.g. 49/0/12 or 54/0/7.