L8flip's Turtle Mount Guide Review and Renew

**GarrettB** · 03-09-2009

L8Flip's Post(Reason Stated Below)
http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-sc...-improved.html

For those that do not want To click just read below

"The previous content of this topic reached unexpected proportions,
and the consequences did not reflect my intentions. I strongly advise all the readers to stop
using this scam, as Blizzard has become much more aware and aggressive towards scammers.
USING THE SO CALLED "Turtle Mount Scam" (Which was NOT invented by me, only rewritten in better english) will most likely get you BANNED,
and if you use multiple accounts, most likely both of the accounts will get banned!

Note: I do not provide any support for the scam, I dont scam, and I will not help you in any way.
Scamming is wrong!

Gold shines the most when you earn it through hard work!

I do not take responsibility for any action taken upon anyone who wishes to continue using this method (this was also stated in the original post),
furthermore, I will not provide any instructions either.

This was MY OWN decision, and I took it because I feel that gold should be earned the fair way,
no one should have to loose gold so that you can gain it!

NOTICE/DISCLAIMER:
As stated in the original post: I do not take responsibility for how you may have chose to use the information previously posted here.
I also wanted to point out, even though I consider it part of the original terms, that I have NOT EVER allowed the spread/plagiarism of anything previously posted in this topic.

I also want to clarify that I am in no way the inventor of the the information previously posted here. I did not think it up. (I also made that very clear in my original post).

I strongly oppose any action based on the information previously posted here, it will most likely only result in getting your account banned.
Noone has anything to win by scamming. Everybody looses.

Thank you,"

THIS POST IS FOR REFERENCE,THIS IS FROM L8FLIP'S POST

**GarrettB** · 03-09-2009

Aight,

Review-This guide brought me in the scamming world and then out of it.This guide has the best layout but it lacks detail in the improvement.Dont get me wrong he made an excellent guide, but from my experience i used this guide for 2 months 7 servers over 50,000 gold accumulated in a 1-2 week period(best result of mine).This guide relies on common knowledge, negotiation, and trust.(CNT for short.)

Renew-I read this guide countless time, seeing how i can renew it, i must have wrote it down 5-6 times.
Personally before you do this guide YOU MUST KNOW IT INSIDE AND OUT.While i was trying to get to the better aspects of the guide, and experiment with things to reduce the likelihood of being caught, I talked to L8Flip often about his guide, and other scammers on the board such as Yeti(banned for i don't know what)

What i found was that Turtle Mount is not as sought after as it seems to be.My first Scam was the Frost Tabard for 150g. My list of things to sell was but not limited to Spectral Tiger,Turtle Mount, Nether-Rocket,Frost Tabard,Fire Tabard,Fishing Chair.

My Technique was
1.Downloading Atlas Loot
2.Set up macros for linking up to 3 items(max in trade chat) posted above in 1 macro
3.Talk in Trade Channel
4.Ignore most of the criticizers
5.Target Potential Customers
6.Meet in Locations based on their knowledge(some may not know you must exchange in Booty Bay
7.Rake in the Dough

Notes.Dont let being level 1 discourage you from quiting your sales when they say at first your only level 1
Try to set up the trust factor,Lets say im a horde undead warlock(around 6 minutes to the capital)I am selling Spectral Tiger,Turtle mount,and Frost Tabard.
I get several whispers which will say; how much,your level 1 why should i trust you,where,i'm farming could you wait till i get my cash.
What i do thing is do the /Who (insert name),
I find out the level and to my knowledge, i use what i think can work
I will say ''I have 2 spectral tigers available at the cost of 1000g.''
GRAMMAR IS KEY!

I use the method L8flip told of the 60/40 90/10 trust factor.
I will say where would you like to meet.( in whisper of course)
He will say how can i trust you.
I would Say look, we are both in a bind, if you dont believe i can find a new customer,
"I risk my (Insert Loot Card) for your money but you could not put out."

Depending on their interest and dependability,
I would say for the trust factor i will let you pay 10/30/40/50% after i receive 90/70/60/50% of the agreed deal.
HIM:Well,OK he agrees to the 60/40 deal(He is filling a little wary so i offered the 60/40)we meet in Undercity at the bank,
He says are you going to scam me?
I say no.
Then i say give me the 60 percent and when you get to booty bay i will give you the card.
He says OK.
Done deal.

USE YOUR NEGOTIATING SKILLS,I took some hits before in the trade channel instead of getting 1,000 i get 600, or 400. Look take what you can in my opinion, Try not to use this word for word, making you own guide, reviewing and renewing is the best way to learn.

My experience on the BanHammer,
I have 2 accounts banned for this scam but look, it took them 4 months to figure it out, and i made some mistakes.
The names i choose are Random, Like i would make account on One Server Ichigo Ichiro Ichijo, Try to make accounts name somewhat the same but when a bad deal just hit Change names or Change servers, come back at late or early hours, which ever hours you weren't on.
Like L8flip told me, use races that are close to major city's, Orgrimarr,Undercity,Ironforge,Stormwind.
For Humans, use Female Warlocks with dark hair, I didn't understand it at first but L8flip posted this, hey, it might work, might as well try it.I used Undead Warlocks Female for the Horde.
Have a piggy bank( bank account)
What i did with my money, was i made level 19 twinks.
Having A LOT of Money is fun, but don't get stupid, don't tell people you made money in the game by that method.
IF you get items instead of gold, DON'T SELL IT ALL ON THE AUCTION HOUSE,Regarding that statement some will not, but for some smart ones, they will catch on. YOU have 3 rare gems, what you should do is leave one in the auction house and 2 in the bank.
Always rethink what you are doing.

IF you try this and it goes wrong, it is not my responsibility

Something bad will happen if you dont play it smart, but sometimes Blizzard will catch on.

Hope this helps some, i know it will not help all.

I PUT L8FLIPS guide there so you could see some differences and improvements, If you read the post above this one do not rep me for it, rep the rightful owner of the post(L8flip)

I am not asking for Rep but if you do Rep, Please Rethink it, i only want credit for my post(#2) not number 1.

Thank You, Have a Nice Day

**GarrettB** · 03-09-2009

Cmon guys, even if you dont like it, some one might post to keep it alive

POSTING IS COOL,ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT!

**Ahskrew** · 03-10-2009

interessting reading, great work

**Poiview1** · 03-10-2009

Well put, good grammar. I personally do not scam, nor will I ever. It is a well thought out guide, [more then most of us can probably even tell] and well put. Definitely +Rep.

Keep up the detailed posts,
-Ku

**Szharz** · 03-10-2009

http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-sc...-improved.html .....

Please just link this on top of your guide.

**firefighterwow** · 03-10-2009

not bad i guess, i used to sell the Spec mount and ZG bear runs, by making a a char with the name of a good guild like good guild name was Pve is hard, i made the char called pveisharrd bank

**GarrettB** · 03-16-2009

http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-sc...-improved.html (Turtle Mount Scam renewed & improved.) .....

Please just link this on top of your guide.

Did and Done.

not bad i guess, i used to sell the Spec mount and ZG bear runs, by making a a char with the name of a good guild like good guild name was Pve is hard, i made the char called pveisharrd bank

Thats a whole entire different scam,Guild Bank Scam, there are some great ones out there it shouldnt take long to find 1,

I was thinking of names like Helloworld,names that are appealing to the eye(not vulgar)

I'm hoping L8flip stops by, i would love to see what he thinks on my understanding of his guide, and my opinions on it

**Zimbabwe** · 03-16-2009

lol I was almost done with the wall of text and I saw, CNT. Like just throw in a U for understanding for god sakes

**Jankem** · 03-16-2009

Grammatically correct repetition is still repetition. Not throwing off on your contribution, because contributing "good" info is a plus in my book. I won't call this a repost because it's not technically. It's an amalgom of other posts.

My problem lies in the fact that you're posting tips to scamming, while claim to hate scammers and prefer the well-earned dollar. As a scammer, I see this post as nothing more than a hunt for rep by presenting a larger piece to multiple puzzles. Good on ya for doing it, just don't understand the logic.

**Zimbabwe** · 03-16-2009

Thanks for the warning? I am a little confused here.

**parinoia** · 03-16-2009

Originally Posted by Poiview1

Well put, good grammar. I personally do not scam, nor will I ever. It is a well thought out guide, [more then most of us can probably even tell] and well put. Definitely +Rep.

Keep up the detailed posts,
-Ku

If you don't scam, why are you browsing the scam forums?

**GarrettB** · 03-16-2009

Jankem, i do not see where i posted i where i posted that "I" hate scamming
I merely stated what L8flip posted for reference.

I agree i do not have the best grammar, but it makes sense to me, il try to edit it some.

Thanks for the input guys

NOTE:I may not be the smartest person here,the most helpful,or the biggest contributor,
but this is the only thing i know that could actually help the community from my knowledge, instead of giving the community useless guides and such that are everywhere on the forums.