How To: Sound legit while scamming.

[Biospecies]

This is a copy of my guide put in the guides section, here http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-gu...-scamming.html

please merge.

I have added to my last post, and reposted in the correct section.
BEFORE YOU REPLY: Please dont say "its all common sense, nub"
No flamers, just gamers

First off, lets start out with some things true in both WoW and transactions in real life.

-If people believe that you have good character/goodwill they will be more inclined to believe what you say. [i.e. - If someone believes that you are helping them out, they will be more easily taken advantage of than if you are being a jerk to them.

-If you want to be believed by your victim, you must actually seem to have the authority or expertise to know what your talking about. [i.e. - You state many Blizzard rules / policies, when there is no proof that they are true. Most people will not believe that you are telling them the truth if you are talking like you are someone you aren't.]

-If you are trying to sound legitimate, do not use word/phrases/expressions that you are unsure of, this will surely make you lose the trust of your victim. [i.e - You are doing a Spectral Tiger Mount scam, and when asked if you got it from TCG, you do not know what TCG is. This will immediately give you away.]

-Before attempting a scam, ask yourself these questions:
-What kind of image am I trying to portray on my victim?
-What can I do to make this image legitimate?
-What words/ideas can I avoid to not harm my image?
-What effect do mispelled words/grammatical errors have on my image?

-Being logical... Don't rely on people just "trusting you." ... People will rely on hard evidence/facts much more readily than a trust based system.

A little note on persuasion: Persuasion, to a large extent, involves convincing other people to accept your assumptions as true. Similarly, exposing questionable assumptions to someone else's argument, will persuade the audience to agree with your argument instead of the person arguing against you.

Using emotions to persuade your victim:

- Appealing to someone's emotions is often key while scamming them, if you seem more human... they won't readily assume your a scammer.

-You can use peoples emotions to help yourself out... Example: Say you are trying to scam someone and you are talking to them, in game, on phone, or on AIM. If they make a comment unrelated to WoW, such as "Ugh, my feet hurt, my work has me standing on my feet all day." reply with some sympathetic thoughts like "I'm in the same boat, I work in construction =/ I always try to soak them as much as I can to relieve some of the stress" I've found if you agree with what they say, and put in your own then you slowly grow a trust between you and your victim. It shows that you actually show care for them and understand how they feel [even though you probably dont "

-If someone starts to get angry: Let them simmer down or just cancel your plan all together. If you are scamming someone and they get suspicous / angry, they will most likely be very critical of your every move. The easiest thing to do is stay calm, and try not to sound so defensive. One little trick that works for me, if I am trading an item [i.e. Spectral Tiger Mount]
They say: "Your a scammer huh?"
You can say something witty like:
-Uh, ok dont believe me.
-Your loss?
-Well i'll find another buyer then.

around 80% the time, they will pst you back wanting to proceed with the trade.


This is what I have added to my guide:
When scamming, its always good to make friends with the person you are scamming, this will always make them trust you, maybe falsely, but oh well =] Try to get them to talk about their interests etc, so that they can feel as if they know you personally. Some scams, you can even set up for days by making friends while gathering info from someone. Hope this makes your scams more successful.


Legitimate Writing

Last but not least, you need to sound Intelligent.
Which is easily done if you type correctly.
If I am trading my account in Trade chat...

wtt my accont 4 any other lvl 70 whisp me plz

compared to...

Looking to trade my account. Seeking another Level 70. Please send me a tell if you are interested.

The second one will get you a lot more potential buyers and give yourself a sense of "class" that will often times help you persuade the victim.



Keep all these things in mind while scamming, and also while posting on Mmowned!

L8rz!
Bio.

[wingfifteen]

hey, im just wondering, I just scammed some guy into buying an "account" and he just recently caught on and filed a dispute in paypal with me. I know that paypal doesnt provide any protection with intangible goods, but what do I need to do to get this guy off my back?

[Biospecies]

Hmm, the most you can do is wait, he can escalate the paypal issue, but i'm not sure about virtual information or objects. Sorry would try to help, but I dont really scam people out of money, so am at a blank on this one. If it gets bad, just give him the money back in my opinion, save yourself a lawsuit if he takes it that far.

[wingfifteen]

okay thanks alot man.. but you know anyone else I can talk to?

[Biospecies]

Hmm, try Hasselhoff, he's very good at scamming also, although I do not know his experience with paypal stuff. Send him a PM though, he probably knows more about it than I do.

[Woink]

Well written my friend, even tho it doesn't help me I bet you've just helped alot of people improving on their scamming skills.

+ Reputation

[Iciris]

great tips there bud. Some I already knew and some it helped out my thoughts towards the way I act a lot!

Very helpful

+rep

[Biospecies]

Thanks to Iciris and Maeko

[FourDg]

Very nice, +rep if I could.

[Martinp]

hm about the spectral tiger scam, dont the banhammer fall upon u if u do it?

[Stephen Colbert]

OMG

YOU STOLE MY GUIDE

http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-sc...tml#post505676


This is an EPIC repost.

[Biospecies]

Sorry sir, but my guide is not even close to yours, mine explains different things than yours, honestly havent seen your guide in my life and even searched for one... Read over both guides, obviously you skimmed through it, I dont see even 1 thing copied over each guide... Mine explains many different things,

Before you flame, howbout you read the post?

[Biospecies]

Just read over the guide in detail, your guide is good, but explains everything differently, you say What kind of persona do you want to give off? mine says -What kind of image am I trying to portray on my victim?... that is the only thing that is similar, and I did not even explain it, just put a side note in there...

[Stephen Colbert]

Sorry sir, but my guide is not even close to yours, mine explains different things than yours, honestly havent seen your guide in my life and even searched for one... Read over both guides, obviously you skimmed through it, I dont see even 1 thing copied over each guide... Mine explains many different things,

Before you flame, howbout you read the post?

You obviously skimmed through mine.


Anyone, look for anything in his guide and it will be in my guide.

-Before attempting a scam, ask yourself these questions:
-What kind of image am I trying to portray on my victim?
-What can I do to make this image legitimate?
-What words/ideas can I avoid to not harm my image?
-What effect do mispelled words/grammatical errors have on my image?

Your guide.

Analyze your situation. Think about what approach you should for the highest success rate. Consider things like:
-What kind of persona you should have (that is, should you be a "Hey bro!" kind of guy or a serious 'get-it-done' kind of guy.)
-Phrases to make your victim feel more comfortable (later in the guide)
-Anything else that may effect the scam (Ex: Your victim hardly knows English. This can be an advantage or a disadvantage.

My guide

Last but not least, you need to sound Intelligent.
Which is easily done if you type correctly.
If I am trading my account in Trade chat...

Your guide

Don't act immature/childish!
That is a great way to make the person feel suspicous/uncomfortable. Their is a fine line between acting like an idiot and acting friendly, and you must be careful not to cross it.

My guide.

-If people believe that you have good character/goodwill they will be more inclined to believe what you say. [i.e. - If someone believes that you are helping them out, they will be more easily taken advantage of than if you are being a jerk to them.

Your guide

The Kind Approach: This takes lots of practice, but once mastered you can succeed in many scams. All you must do is act casual, befriend your victim, and make your victim seem secure. It may sound easy enough, but you must do this while at the same time staying relaxed and trying to get the item/info you want. Your victim is at his weakest when he trusts you, however don't become too friendly because you may feel bad and stop the scam all together.

My guide

There is much more if you want me to post more.

[Biospecies]

Wow, you just find any way to flame dont you, do you have a problem with me or something?

-Before attempting a scam, ask yourself these questions:
-What kind of image am I trying to portray on my victim?
-What can I do to make this image legitimate?
-What words/ideas can I avoid to not harm my image?
-What effect do mispelled words/grammatical errors have on my image?

^ Me talking about how the selection of words and the spelling effect your image.

Analyze your situation. Think about what approach you should for the highest success rate. Consider things like:
-What kind of persona you should have (that is, should you be a "Hey bro!" kind of guy or a serious 'get-it-done' kind of guy.)
-Phrases to make your victim feel more comfortable (later in the guide)
-Anything else that may effect the scam (Ex: Your victim hardly knows English. This can be an advantage or a disadvantage.

^ You talking about your personality and how it effects your image.

Last but not least, you need to sound Intelligent.
Which is easily done if you type correctly.
If I am trading my account in Trade chat...

^ me talking about how using abbreviations, slang spelling, etc. effects how people trust you

Don't act immature/childish!
That is a great way to make the person feel suspicous/uncomfortable. Their is a fine line between acting like an idiot and acting friendly, and you must be careful not to cross it.

^You explaining how acting childish and like an idiot affect your image.

MUCH different, If you want to try some more, we can do this all day... I post original work, Dont test me.