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    garb's Avatar Knight
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    If you don't know this - then please stay the hell out of raids.
    Paladin bubble also removes it.

    Oh, and it's not an exploit. hurr durr

    [Rogue] Omnitron Defense System: Easing healer mana on Magmatron.
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    Common sense.

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    Neglected's Avatar Corporal
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    Let me spell this out for you.
    Did Blizzard ever say: "We're going to make a debuff that can be removed by Cloak of Shadows."
    I see people here saying "hurr durr Ice Block and Divine Shield remove this". Well yes, they do, wanna know why?
    Because Ice Block and Divine Shield are complete immunity effects. They remove everything.
    Just because it is common sense does not make it an invalid exploit. Blizzard did not intend to have this removed by a CloS thus triviallizing Magmatron's main mechanic. Whilst Cloak of Shadows is an immunity effect for magic spells, you can see clearly that the spell on Wowhead is classed as a physical debuff.

    Let's read the tooltips shall we?
    Cloak:
    Instantly removes all existing harmful spell effects, provides momentary immunity against all damage and harmful effects, and causes you to resist all spells for 5 sec. Does not remove effects that prevent you from using Cloak of Shadows.
    Before you say "but it provides immunity against all harmful effects", it will not remove harmful effects already on you. IT will just prevent new ones within 2 sec or so. If you don't believe me, get a warrior to rend you and then cloak, then get him to rend you again. The second rend will fail.

    Ice Block:
    You become encased in a block of ice, protecting you from all physical attacks and spells for 10 sec, but during that time you cannot attack, move or cast spells. Also causes Hypothermia, preventing you from recasting Ice Block for 30 sec.
    This is an immunity effect and will remove ALL debuffs including ones already on you and then prevent new ones.

    Bubble;
    Protects the paladin from all damage and spells for 8 sec
    This will also remove all debuffs including physical ones - unlike cloak - and provide immunity for 8 seconds.


    Jesus Christ. I'll not make a contribution next time, eh? Thought I'd be helpful and all (No, I'm not fishing for rep, feel free to not rep if you wish, I don't really give a crap).

    @The guy talking about the pools: That was intended. You are MEANT to stand in the pools.
    @the person who said I was an embaressment to rogues: Die in a fire. Yes, it is on elitistjerks. Doesn't make it any less of an exploit.

    An exploit is something that is NOT meant to happen. Cloak is only meant to remove all existing harmful spell effects, the debuff is not a harmful spell effect, it is a physical debuff. Cloak removing a physical debuff = not meant to happen.
    Last edited by Neglected; 01-12-2011 at 11:29 AM.

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    Acquiring Target - Spell - World of Warcraft "School: Fire"

    Also, blizz made an hotfix on few abilities that were cloakable and not supposed to be, that wasn't one of them, we can assume it's working as intended...

    Also rend will always work on you while you cloak unless the warrior got a more powerful rend already on you, bleed is one of the very select type of debuff that ignore cloak of shadow, typeless debuff aren't part of that.

    Also did you know that some boss spell still applies on divine shield and iceblock ?

    cloak is meant to work on aquiring target.....

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    Originally Posted by Neglected View Post

    @The guy talking about the pools: That was intended. You are MEANT to stand in the pools.
    If you mean me with the "blue zones which are spawned by Arcanotron":

    Better switch your brain on, if you did not understand the ironie.

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    More working as intended is not possible,
    altough maybe some noob Rogues did't know this, but any serious raiding rogue will be using this since 1 month.
    (or spotted the thread on EJ)

    Also the feint Glyph removes the energy cost, so you can use this on CD

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    Originally Posted by TumahaB View Post
    Better switch your brain on, if you did not understand the ironie.
    I love it.

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    this is common sense...

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    Neglected's Avatar Corporal
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    Originally Posted by TumahaB View Post
    If you mean me with the "blue zones which are spawned by Arcanotron":

    Better switch your brain on, if you did not understand the ironie.
    I do understand the irony, the only problem is that you pointed out a mechanic that is supposed to be used. CloS should not remove a physical dbeuff.

    Zongo: it's not like I pointed the school thing out. And I had to use an example, rend was the first that came to mind.

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    op, an idiot, nothing to see here move along

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    Attention:

    I have done extensive testing and it is indeed possible to vanish to avoid dying to bosses when your group is wiping. Blizzard didn't intend for rogues to never get repair bills. It does indeed seem possible to avoid each death, thereby making you immortal.

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