Nost shut down...fight back and sign!

[bansil]

Warcraft fans' fury at Blizzard over server closure - BBC News

This makes me happy.

[visitor]

we are so angry that we cant pirate your game and play on a server in a game where we were meant to pay monthly...

lawl

[Corthezz]

we are so angry that we cant pirate your game and play on a server in a game where we were meant to pay monthly...

lawl

THANKS!!! Cant quote that enough

[element19090]

So another small but cool piece of news. "Mark Kern, lead World of Warcraft developer during vanilla times, signed the petition."

https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhai...ty/c/434305499 Mark kern's comments.

[stoneharry]

It is my understanding that they are not releasing the source code.

Which leads me down the line of thinking that if they really cared about the community as they claim they would release their work. It makes me think this is a huge publicity stunt.

Thoughts?

[Xel]

we are so angry that we cant pirate your game and play on a server in a game where we were meant to pay monthly...

lawl

Imagine you subscribed to a music service just to listen to your favorite song, and then one day a superficial remix took its place.
People are not mad for having to pay, they are frustrated because someone took away their reupload.

[Phocito]

It is my understanding that they are not releasing the source code.

To quote the official post below
http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43600

"We believe that we significantly improved their code base, with several interesting algorithms (for example the ongoing work on clustering). For now, our source code may be release 30th of April (educational purposes only) in the hope that it will be useful, and that it may help developers understand how a big project like ours was handled from the inside. As we are not willing to help people that do bad things within World of Warcraft, all of the specific cheating / botting / gold seller / ... protection or detection systems we developed and polished during all this time will not be available on this public release."

[Dovah]

It is my understanding that they are not releasing the source code.

Which leads me down the line of thinking that if they really cared about the community as they claim they would release their work. It makes me think this is a huge publicity stunt.

Thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...?context=10000

If there is no other event happening (answer from Blizzard for example), we will be releasing the code base we used to run Nostalrius. This represents thousands of git commits, and the work of over twenty developers. In any case, we will respect the law from our respective countries, if it prevents us from doing so.

I think this is why it hasn't been released yet. Also in another post they said they were working on encrypting player data.

[stoneharry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...?context=10000



I think this is why it hasn't been released yet. Also in another post they said they were working on encrypting player data.

To quote the official post below
http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43600

"We believe that we significantly improved their code base, with several interesting algorithms (for example the ongoing work on clustering). For now, our source code may be release 30th of April (educational purposes only) in the hope that it will be useful, and that it may help developers understand how a big project like ours was handled from the inside. As we are not willing to help people that do bad things within World of Warcraft, all of the specific cheating / botting / gold seller / ... protection or detection systems we developed and polished during all this time will not be available on this public release."

Fair enough then. I've got someone on my skype saying they talked to 'daemon' and they are picking which features to include and what not to include. But that's not much to go on.

[Ghostswrath]

I'll try no to generalize too much, but to me, the whole Nostarlius/Blizzard situation reflects the current state of the game industry pretty well.
Most companies went away from the classic business model: "Produce high quality product to attract customers and keep them satisfied" to metaphorically something like a cheap fast food chain. And just like fast food, people eat it up without being too much concerned about the quality of the food/product nor the long term consequences as long they get their quick fix (content, quick/gimmicky features and 1-100 P2W just a few examples). And just like in real life, this business model is often more profitable for the vendor than having a good restaurant serving excellent meals. And so now you have this clash of generations where on the veteran side people got somewhat spoonfed with high quality products/content because the enterprises were literally fighting over the customers wellbeing and satisfaction to eliminate competition, while on the other plumb side you have people that never ate or tasted anything other than fast food and assume that this is good or the norm. Now you might think this is an exaggeration, but it all really boils down to that when reading blizzard retail or MMORPG boards. And as people have already reported in this thread, you know exactly what happens when you feed those fast food eating kids proper food. (For clarification, this is a reference to the old WoW expansions in general and NOT the server Nostalrius itself.) Which is also more than enough proof for the fact that it isn't solely nostalgia, but rather old expansions objectively conveying a better MMORPG experience.

Now the discussion about the closure of the Nostalrius server is redundant because Blizzard obviously has the legal high-ground and the Nostalrius staff already declared that they have no implications of taking this any further. What should be discussed here instead is how ActiBlizzard can allow themselves to not only ignore but directly go in the opposite direction of what the vast majority of the community wishes. And I'm talking about their current WoW game, not making legacy private servers. Is it because there's too many fast food eaters with no standards and their hugbox circlejerk is protected by the Blizzard forum mods? Does the lead developping team having cruel intentions or simply being disconnected from reality and the games condition? Or is it all just numbers and calculated profit/expense, which would bring us to the first point again?

In the end, it probably doesn't matter. All what matters is if and how you react.
Are you gonna leave World of Warcraft (or maybe even video games all in all) as we knew them behind? Will it leave a bitter taste in your mouth, a grudge against Blizzard, or will you be able to walk away with a good conscience? Is it just a video game to you?
Are you gonna stay and pretend what I wrote is utter bollocks and Blizzard will fix the game eventually? Maybe you enjoy the game as it is, who am I to judge, right? Not like the goverment restricts people from buying and eating fastfood, even if it's causing one of the highest diseases ratios in America and can affect their offspring directly.
Or will you activate social media units, maybe even leave the moral comfort zone, call Blizzard out and threaten to boycott the new expansion just for the slight chance to make WoW great again?

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[element19090]

Ex-World of Warcraft dev Mark Kern explains why Blizzard should open vanilla servers

Interview with Mark Kern a dev of wow in Vanilla. HE explains why he supports Legecy servers and how he think's it will absolutely be a posative thing not just for fans but for Blizzard as well. Check it out.

[namreeb]

I'm just posting to voice my support for this petition.

[HunterHero]

It would be amazing if Blizzard came with a statement, but if they did and they acknowledged the demand for a Vanilla server, that would mean they admit they were wrong. Also they probably won't make them since that would mean lower demand for new content.

[HunterHero]

It is my understanding that they are not releasing the source code.

Which leads me down the line of thinking that if they really cared about the community as they claim they would release their work. It makes me think this is a huge publicity stunt.

Thoughts?

One of the reasons they don't release the their databases and what not is because it's not theirs to own. It's Blizzard's intellectual property and they will get sued if they release it.

[stoneharry]

One of the reasons they don't release the their databases and what not is because it's not theirs to own. It's Blizzard's intellectual property and they will get sued if they release it.

I'm not sure how true that is. The reason why emulators can exist is because nothing about them is illegal. They are not using any of Blizzard's intellectual property, all the code is written themselves or using public libraries and under the GNU license. The emulators merely provide tools coded themselves that would allow you to extract the data required to run the server yourself. That part is illegal - running the program on Blizzard's data.

The database itself (i.e: creatures, players, accounts, all that sort of data) is completely their own data created from the emulator and so likely to be fine. Any DBC/Map data would probably be protected by the copyright.