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    Originally Posted by Erikrsson View Post
    Not sure if all works fine, but after 180s on a dummy I did ~180k with your rotation & the latest version of PE. I'm 564 ilvl, then I've decided to do my own rotation and pulled out 220k dps. No flasks, buffs, prepots - no vanish or preparation.

    I start my fights this way - stealth -> ambush, revealing strike, 2x sinister strike -> snd -> killing spree -> after killing spree ends shadow blades, adrenaline rush, synapse springs, blood fury -> spam sinister strike, keep snd up, keep revealing strike up, 5cp envenoms. That's it.
    Eh this is what it should be doing its currently allmost spot on my sim for simcraft over multiple tests so far ;o


    Both tests were pulled from the same spot, stationary. Didn't move at all, just let my fingers do the dps job.

    I've also tried the "best" free pve profile for combat and despite it using rupture which is in theory a dps increase, it was still pulling less than I do manually. Any ideas?

    I'll do some longer tests soon, post the results as well.


    //Edit: I was right. Despite my "Sloppy BJ" rotation I've developed while being a lazy ****, I'm still doing more... not exactly more per se, as I've skipped 4 parts from your rotation, but after 5 minutes on a dummy I did just 2,1k dps less, while messing a bit with 1-2 cp envenoms during my cooldowns... something my fingers tend to do. I'm not a rogue veteran, as I only have like 30 days played on this rogue, used to be a DK before.

    My "Sloppy BJ" rotation never uses weakened armor, just revealing strike and completely skips rupture. Didn't use vanish & preparation as well - conclusion - if I executed a perfect rotation without a single screw up, applying 3 stacks of weakened armor & keeping 5cp ruptures up I'd outperform it anyway, but still, for a rotation for a relatively fresh bot it is a great outcome, no doubt.
    Thanks i think ;o a difference of 2k~ is very small and could just be you had a higher crit % on your auto attacks on one attempt ect. When you sim yourself look at the dps distribution chart, This should give you an idea of how much the dps can fluctuate just because yolo.

    Level 90 Orc Rogue | WoW World of Warcraft Armory Profiles | Masked Armory

    65625716dmg/5min (218752/s) - ProbablyEngine, 5 min. Carnage rotation

    64991348dmg/5min (216637/s) - SloppyBJ rotation,no vanish & preparation at all, skipping rupture & weakened armor stacks.


    Should you remove rupture dmg from the ProbablyEngine 5minute session, it does less dmg than I did, despite having the 3 stacks of weakened armor(I unfortunately can't remove that from the damage list, so the final dmg is still a bit higher than it should be) it did 63926044dmg/5min, which is 213086/s.



    However, let's not forget that dpsing a dummy with no mechanics to avoid is ridiculously easy, therefore these results shouldn't be considered 100% accurate, as you had 100% uptime on the boss and the final dps with or without the bot will still depend on how good you perform(movement wise, avoiding mechanics, getting as much boss uptime as possible while not dying to shit on the ground). If you are a newbie or a mediocre rogue, this is defnitely a good thing to have if you want to perform very good while focusing not on dpsing, but on avoiding crap AND having a good dps output.

    Final conclusion - 10/10 - would use.
    Thanks for the good (i think xD) review, Currently leveling myself another rogue via RaF when i get it to max im going to get on with improving the profile.

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    Originally Posted by Erikrsson View Post
    Jesus, a mistake. Eviscerates I meant, old habits from when I've played assassination. Anyway, I've checked the rotation on Nazgrim HC, and it bugged out @ casting Expose Armor, it didn't want to keep dpsing as the boss was immune to that skill. The very moment I've changed my target to an add it was working fine, so here's something to work on - assuming that PE has that kind of a function which detects which bosses are immune to a skill and then skips it in the rotation.

    Ah thats interesting actually. At what point does he become immune ect? and what talents are you currently running with. are there any buffs related to the immunity or?

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    Yet another mistake in my previous posts - he's not immune to that skill, as druids etc are stacking the same debuff on him, but it just doesn't want to pass onto the next skill required. The same happened on Malkorok, although simply removing {"Expose Armor", "target.debuff(Weakened armor).duration <= 2"}, from the rotation file fixed the issue, obviously. It buggs out for the entire fight, right from the start.

    Shadow Focus, Combat Readiness, Elusiveness, Burst of Speed, Paralytic Potion, Anticipation.

    Maybe it's not an issue with your profile per se, but with ProbablyEngine itself, as it might detect the stacks on the boss applied by a druid, not me(the rogue) and the PE freaks out? It worked on Dark shamans, but we did the split-shamans tactic and I guess the other one(the one I wasn't attacking) was tanked by our guardian dudu, so the shaman I attacked was getting the expose armor debuff directly from me and I guess the PE bot detects that on this kind of basis.

    Do you think it's possible to actually implement Redirect into the rotation when switching targets and having some CP on the previous one?

    Either way, it's a great profile. Pulled around 319k dps on dark shamans, will see how it goes on Malkorok as I'm on the Essence of Y'shaarj & Imploding energy duty, so I lose a ton of uptime on the boss. I will report the results from all the bosses I can, both heroic and normal.
    Last edited by Erikrsson; 12-05-2013 at 04:05 PM.

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    Originally Posted by Erikrsson View Post
    Yet another mistake in my previous posts - he's not immune to that skill, as druids etc are stacking the same debuff on him, but it just doesn't want to pass onto the next skill required. The same happened on Malkorok, although simply removing {"Expose Armor", "target.debuff(Weakened armor).duration <= 2"}, from the rotation file fixed the issue, obviously. It buggs out for the entire fight, right from the start.

    Shadow Focus, Combat Readiness, Elusiveness, Burst of Speed, Paralytic Potion, Anticipation.

    Maybe it's not an issue with your profile per se, but with ProbablyEngine itself, as it might detect the stacks on the boss applied by a druid, not me(the rogue) and the PE freaks out? It worked on Dark shamans, but we did the split-shamans tactic and I guess the other one(the one I wasn't attacking) was tanked by our guardian dudu, so the shaman I attacked was getting the expose armor debuff directly from me and I guess the PE bot detects that on this kind of basis.


    Either way, it's a great profile. Pulled around 319k dps on dark shamans, will see how it goes on Malkorok as I'm on the Essence of Y'shaarj & Imploding energy duty, so I lose a ton of uptime on the boss. Do you think it's possible to actually implement Redirect into the rotation when switching targets and having some CP on the previous one?
    useing L Ctrl should use redirect. it can be a bit difficult to pull of if something is in melee range however. Lshift should make you cloak and alt for bomb.

    It shouldnt lock up when someone else apply it as its just checking the the armor debuff and all of them share the same name / ID (I think) ive not experienced this yet ;o

    When you say from the start does it do any other actions before it locks up and what icon does the PE rotation button show ect or what was your last used ability ? D:

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    Originally Posted by Nevodark View Post
    useing L Ctrl should use redirect. it can be a bit difficult to pull of if something is in melee range however. Lshift should make you cloak and alt for bomb.

    It shouldnt lock up when someone else apply it as its just checking the the armor debuff and all of them share the same name / ID (I think) ive not experienced this yet ;o

    When you say from the start does it do any other actions before it locks up and what icon does the PE rotation button show ect or what was your last used ability ? D:
    It does the opener(stealth -> ambush) normally, as far as I remember it goes SND and then it just bugs out. It shows the Expose Armor skill icon.

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