[PQR] Nilrem Affliction Profile

[nilrem2004]

I agree, the whole demo being top dps must be a BiS thing because I pull way higher numbers as affliction.

Exactly, even heroic geared demo locks ask me how the hell I do same dps as them and have lower item level (no heroic gear whatsoever)

[Kinkeh]

A good demo lock with good rng with UVLS versus an affliction lock at the same level of play will NOT beat the demo lock on cleave, they're simply too strong if played right on a fight like council because of the plethora of imps if UVLS was handled properly. Single target will be a closer game but again, same gear, same level of play -- a demo lock should win. It's just the name of the game right now with how powerful UVLS is. That doesn't go without saying that I rape meters as affliction such as megaera and council right now, no one in the raid comes close.

[froggystyle]

so say on heroic prim anyway you can code in just to dot up adds only ? maybe have a switch just to cast the 3 dots and switch to next hostile living fluid?

[isleview]

Heroic Magera is a close one for me due to our boomkin druid doing almost the same numbers.. he also double dips for the dps pool by killing venomous head (which we don't touch typically) - his burst sometimes rivals mines or far exceeds it but i tend to come out ahead

[isleview]

I'm only 535, but at 9.8k, 8.8k mastery, 15% hit, legendary meta, and UVLS affliction just doesn't touch it

[nilrem2004]

I'm only 535, but at 9.8k, 8.8k mastery, 15% hit, legendary meta, and UVLS affliction just doesn't touch it

you have as affliction 535 9.8k haste and 8.8k mastery?
then your crit must be higher , and gear isn't actually affliction optimized since at 525 ilevel I have 9.8k haste and 11k mastery..... it's a big difference, and I'm sure at 535 ilevel I'd go for 13.7k haste since even now I'm missing like 600-700 haste to reforge to next softcap.

[isleview]

The difference is i use UVLS which has no static haste/mastery built into it.. but more spell power

[nilrem2004]

The difference is i use UVLS which has no static haste/mastery built into it.. but more spell power

oh, you don't have woosholay + hydra? It's better than UVLS for affliction

[healzzz]

UVLS is still BiS for affliction, Hydra + Woos is not better, there is absolutely no data to support that claim to be honest.

[isleview]

Best in slot is still UVLS + Hydra.. Wooshoo's static hit is horrible

[nilrem2004]

maybe HC UVLS, for normal I wouldn't use UVLS. Bare in mind that best application of UVLS is when it lines up with some/most of your other procs. For example on start of fight if it lines up with your Lightweave, Jade spirit, other trinket bla..bla..bla.... yeah great you're bursting 400-500k easy. And that is usually only the case if you don't start boss encounter just after the trash. If you have 2 minutes between trash and boss there is a big chance it will line up. But in middle of the fight let's say you have yout lightweave up, jade spirit, trinket and you just poped Darksoul and refreshed your dots. Then after those buffs wear off UVLS procs and if you would refresh at that time you would actually get LOWER dps output since you'r dots are already boosted with tons of SP/Haste wich you now don't have. Try monitoring it with Affdots and you will see in fact that it happens many times.
The only thing that can help with UVLS is having HEROIC version upgraded because it procs more often so the bad luck can be minimized.
I can see on WoL that top affliction parses have UVLS, but wich ones? all of them got either upgraded HC or upgraded TF HC versions, some have normal TF versions also.
On average UVLS procs 3-4 times during fight, if 2 of those times are in a bad moment.....then you're screwed.

Edit: here is a list of trinkets rrpm procs etc and nice discussion to check it out: http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topi...lock-trinkets/

oh and btw BIS normal t15 trinkets are Woosh and Hydra.

taken from Simcraft T15N affliction profile:

head=hood_of_the_crimson_wake,id=94959,gems=burning_primal_160haste_160hit_180in t
neck=necklace_of_the_terracotta_invoker,id=95203,gems=80int_160haste_60hit,refor ge=hit_mastery
shoulders=mantle_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=95329,gems=80int_160haste_320haste _120haste,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=crit_mastery
back=deadly_glare_cape,id=94929,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=180int,reforge =crit_hit
chest=robes_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=95328,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_160h aste_160hit_180int,enchant=80all,reforge=hit_haste
wrists=bracers_of_fragile_bone,id=94948,enchant=180int,reforge=crit_mastery
hands=gloves_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=95325,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchan t=170haste,reforge=crit_haste
waist=cord_of_cacophonous_cawing,id=94813,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_320haste_ 120haste
legs=leggings_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=95327,gems=320haste_160haste_160hit_1 20int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=crit_mastery
feet=damrens_frozen_footguards,id=94968,gems=80int_160haste_60haste,enchant=140m astery
finger1=eye_of_oondasta,id=95164
finger2=roshaks_remembrance,id=95512,gems=160haste_160hit_60haste,reforge=crit_h aste
trinket1=wushoolays_final_choice,id=94513,reforge=hit_haste
trinket2=breath_of_the_hydra,id=94521
main_hand=athame_of_the_sanguine_ritual,id=94955,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_60 int,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=mastery_hit
off_hand=fetish_of_the_hydra,id=94796,gems=160haste_160hit_60int,enchant=165int, reforge=crit_exp

Simcraft is modelling UVLS correctly and if it would be better then they would put it in, also you can try sim it yourself.
T15HC profile uses UVLS because it has higher proc rate in regards to our beloved new rrpm system. But normal version of UVLS for affliction is below Hydra and Woosh.

I hope that now you have enough data that supports not only my claim.

[nebmyers]

Thing about lei shen trinket is that the RNG affects dps so much it's pretty ridiculous whereas hydra and wushoolei's pretty much give a more constant set of procs which line up with spells/tinkers etc.

With decent RNG a lei shen trinket + hydra/wushoolei's will blow the hydra + wushoolei's out of the water, but with bad RNG the hydra/wushoolei's would be a far better pick (which is much safer due to the consistency of the trinkets)

BiS I would say comes from Wushoolei's and Hydra because I wouldn't count on Lei shen proccing at the right time, although I do prefer to use the lei shen trinket purely of the fact mine is 549 ilvl and I play Demonology/Affliction.

[isleview]

i suppose if you have bad rng.. but 100% critted dots w/ or without buffs is still better then Boosted SP dots. Affdots does monitor it. For demo it monitors DOOM only i think. I've tested both and UVLS will usually pull ahead especially if you can get critted dots rolling on multiple targets. Since i play with Demo more now adays it's silly to reforge for everything. I'd def say that burst wise it will pull ahead.

[nilrem2004]

I'm in raid, using affdots right now and testing trinket also, and it just doesn't cut it. If it procs alone or after all the SP buffs go down it doesnt' push more than 100% power..... bare in mind I have tailoring also that procs so that's 2k extra. Only HC version would be good.

[isleview]

i have double upgraded thunderforged.. not downed Heroic Quite yet.. BUT... I'm also Tailoring Profession --- With the Extra spellpower how is this going to beat a x2 the power CRITTING dot.. It'd have to be some massively stacked dots to do this.