[PQR] Nilrem Affliction Profile

[Aleksonfire]

I think perhaps you forgot to account for pandemic? I guess the real question would be whether the mechanics of felflame count as a refresh or just a static +. However with my basic calculations(assuming felflame counts as a refresh) you would add the exact same amount of time give or take a tick by using felflame instead of recasting. Any idea on felflame and pandemic?

EDIT: Felflame does not work with pandemic at least not on the scale I was thinking.

I also did a little siming with buffs. It seems that my method is more dps ONLY if you have less than 500 intellect change through the entire fight, But since potions are 1000 intellect, and the trinkets add almost 3k-5k intellect..... ya....
The reason why is that my method has short malefic grasp bursts as opposed to one really long one. Uptime was slightly more on my method but because of the intellect buffs being anywhere from 15-25 secs the longer you are in the filler with malefic grasp stage with the increase the more dmg you will do.

[Chinaboy]

Can i ask how much dps you do with your current fel flame rotation? As aff lock you want to cast MG as much as possible and with fel flame refresh that won't be possible since you have to refresh much earlier and constantly use life tap to gain mana because fel flame take 5% base mana each cast.

Btw Nilrem i noticed during drain soul the dots sometimes fall off since the profile don't stop drainsoul to refresh dots, dunno if that's intended.

[Kinkeh]

Can i ask how much dps you do with your current fel flame rotation? As aff lock you want to cast MG as much as possible and with fel flame refresh that won't be possible since you have to refresh much earlier and constantly use life tap to gain mana because fel flame take 5% base mana each cast.

Btw Nilrem i noticed during drain soul the dots sometimes fall off since the profile don't stop drainsoul to refresh dots, dunno if that's intended.

Top parsing locks only ever fel flame dot refresh in the beginning pull with all of their procs up, any other time I think it's just a plain DPS loss. The increase is probably like 400 dps or something silly, but an increase is an increase.

[Chinaboy]

Top parsing locks only ever fel flame dot refresh in the beginning pull with all of their procs up, any other time I think it's just a plain DPS loss. The increase is probably like 400 dps or something silly, but an increase is an increase.

Indeed they do that when things procs after they used SB:SS to empower their dots. But you will lose that little dps if you continue to refresh your dots with FF during the fight.

[nilrem2004]

Can i ask how much dps you do with your current fel flame rotation? As aff lock you want to cast MG as much as possible and with fel flame refresh that won't be possible since you have to refresh much earlier and constantly use life tap to gain mana because fel flame take 5% base mana each cast.

Btw Nilrem i noticed during drain soul the dots sometimes fall off since the profile don't stop drainsoul to refresh dots, dunno if that's intended.

Profile should SB:SS when haunting in DS phase. what target was that? conditions?

[Aleksonfire]

Well first things first. I'm a haste mastery build with 65% unbuffed mastery, and haste softcap. Now as I stated earlier while simming I actually had more uptime using my method on malefic grasp but it was in shorter burst. For example; Instead of a 15sec malefic grasp I'd have 3x5sec casts of malefic grasp. Also I failed to mention that I do not use the glyph for increasing dot time. That may or may not have a significant role in the Fel Flame vs recast debate.

Alright now to the numbers.
Trinket procs - Haste, Intellect
Self-buffed, and No intellect pot
With cds. 6 min fight

Felflame method - 76k~
Recast Method - 75k~ (but had about 10 ticks less on malefic grasp. If assumed the same ticks recast would have prevailed.)

Now if we had added the intellect flask it is probably that the increased dot time would increase dmg significantly only due to the fact that you would get the 25 secs + 20 secs of increased dmg (assuming the longer dots) vs my 25 + 8-12 secs. So I think the issue is more about your gear and procs.

[Chinaboy]

Profile should SB:SS when haunting in DS phase. what target was that? conditions?

I was out of shards and at spirit king i used glyphed SS so it was on cd. So profile don't detect those and just single cast dots?

[TheGreatRowaH]

It would be awesome if you could make it so it refreshes dots just before Dark Soul runs out (5-6 seconds before).

Same with bloodlust.

[nilrem2004]

It would be awesome if you could make it so it refreshes dots just before Dark Soul runs out (5-6 seconds before).

Same with bloodlust.

That has been discussed before, if you're on DS/BL you're burning shards to keep 100% haunt uptime since it's a major dps boost, and you have no shards at the end, and it would in fact be a dps loss to do that

[nilrem2004]

I was out of shards and at spirit king i used glyphed SS so it was on cd. So profile don't detect those and just single cast dots?

Nice catch! I'll make a workaround for situations when you have no shards below 20%

[nilrem2004]

Well first things first. I'm a haste mastery build with 65% unbuffed mastery, and haste softcap. Now as I stated earlier while simming I actually had more uptime using my method on malefic grasp but it was in shorter burst. For example; Instead of a 15sec malefic grasp I'd have 3x5sec casts of malefic grasp. Also I failed to mention that I do not use the glyph for increasing dot time. That may or may not have a significant role in the Fel Flame vs recast debate.

Alright now to the numbers.
Trinket procs - Haste, Intellect
Self-buffed, and No intellect pot
With cds. 6 min fight

Felflame method - 76k~
Recast Method - 75k~ (but had about 10 ticks less on malefic grasp. If assumed the same ticks recast would have prevailed.)

Now if we had added the intellect flask it is probably that the increased dot time would increase dmg significantly only due to the fact that you would get the 25 secs + 20 secs of increased dmg (assuming the longer dots) vs my 25 + 8-12 secs. So I think the issue is more about your gear and procs.

post me action list with which you are simming here please so I can see exactly what you're simming.

[Chinaboy]

Nice catch! I'll make a workaround for situations when you have no shards below 20%

Thank you and let it for example use SB:SS when you got 2 shard or so since profile tends to Haunt before dotting.

[Aleksonfire]

Sorry not familiar with the term action list. If you mean rotation it is using your rotation list as coded, except under unstable affliction I created an else if timer to cast fel flame based on dot time remaining. (Did not feel the need to put it in corruption too since corruption is a longer dot and will be refreshed when fel flaming to keep UA up)

And let me clear up some confusion. By simming I meant attacking target dummies. Sorry for the incorrect term. (I thought they were basically the same thing but apparently they arent according to a personal mail flaming me for lying cause warlock sims don't work right or something)

However If I may concede that your current rotation would be more dmg with an intellect pot and identical ticks.(remember I have a haste trinket which can make weird tick rates.)

EDIT: Ok I'm sorry I'm not used to posting just leeching so excuse me for leaving stuff out. I am using windsong weapon enchant. The intellect enchant may be a significant difference to the two as well. When I get the enchant I will let you know if that increases or decreases the gap in dps. Also I am hit capped. That may make a huge difference as well as most warlocks I see are nowhere near hit cap. Will be testing this out tonight by taking off hit for mastery or haste and rerunning 6 min tests

[nilrem2004]

Thank you and let it for example use SB:SS when you got 2 shard or so since profile tends to Haunt before dotting.

it uses Haunt when it needs to refresh for 100% uptime and then while haunt is flying it does SB:SS and refreshes before haunt lands on target.

[nilrem2004]

Sorry not familiar with the term action list. If you mean rotation it is using your rotation list as coded, except under unstable affliction I created an else if timer to cast fel flame based on dot time remaining. (Did not feel the need to put it in corruption too since corruption is a longer dot and will be refreshed when fel flaming to keep UA up)

And let me clear up some confusion. By simming I meant attacking target dummies. Sorry for the incorrect term. (I thought they were basically the same thing but apparently they arent according to a personal mail flaming me for lying cause warlock sims don't work right or something)

However If I may concede that your current rotation would be more dmg with an intellect pot and identical ticks.(remember I have a haste trinket which can make weird tick rates.)

EDIT: Ok I'm sorry I'm not used to posting just leeching so excuse me for leaving stuff out. I am using windsong weapon enchant. The intellect enchant may be a significant difference to the two as well. When I get the enchant I will let you know if that increases or decreases the gap in dps. Also I am hit capped. That may make a huge difference as well as most warlocks I see are nowhere near hit cap. Will be testing this out tonight by taking off hit for mastery or haste and rerunning 6 min tests

ok, to conclude this, testing on target dummy will get you nowhere, you won't actually see any difference since there is no fight where you can just stand and nuke. Fel flame is totally useless as a spell except on moving and it's a mana hog. Unless you can simulate that in Simulationcraft with a proper action list it's pointless to discuss something like that. Fel Flame has been looked upon over and over many times and because of it's lousy refresh of just 6 seconds it's crap except for keeping dot's up when moving and that is the purpose of it's spell. Other thing is, fel flame updates your corr and ua damage, many times you don't want that since your current dot's are stronger than what your new ones will be. Haunt needs dot's uptime of 10 seconds minimum to be effective and to squeeze 2-3 mg's inside.
As you can see there are many factors that you're blindly ignoring while "simming". You must get a bit better knowledge of the class , then you will see beyond FelFlame. And I really don't know what would you like from a public profile. It's there to work, not to perform, it will get you through LFR and normal raid without anyone bitching that you do too low dps. If you think you can make more dps than public profile, you're right, completely, that is why there is other version of the profile than public