GnomeTools - WoW BOT

[mgX]

So, why aren't all Pirox users banned ?
Everybody would be banned for a while now if blizz wanted to ban AutoIt users.

Simple, as you should know, blizzard ban ppl in waves for botting. there can be many months between the big ban waves. Other cheating like teleportation, speedhack, exploiting, is banned on the spot. Dont you think that it would be stupid to ban bot programs on the spot? would be too easy to see whether your program is detectable or not. Bot bans from player reports, are made on the spot aswell, where software detection is done in waves.


The fact that you choose to make your bot in autoit with its limitations, clearly shows that perhaps it is you who doesnt understand how thigns work...

[Pixion]

I don't know many things about Warden, yeah, I know that.
But WHY shoud AutoIt be more detectable than other langages...?
EDIT: Sorry, the question is more "If they can find an AutoIt program, they can also find others programs coded in C#, C...".

And I have my reasons for having chose AutoIt.

[Dybberg]

have any users got banned with gnometools? i have succesfully botted my priest from 1-48 now, in a week, or something like that, and now im wierd, is it SAFE to continue? will they detect me easy if I get reported or what? please answer

[Pixion]

There has ALWAYS been player report bans...
Atm, nothing told us the BOT was software detected.

But yes, I think some have been, just BOT taking care where you BOT, when...
Same as always...

[mgX]

I don't know many things about Warden, yeah, I know that.
But WHY shoud AutoIt be more detectable than other langages...?
EDIT: Sorry, the question is more "If they can find an AutoIt program, they can also find others programs coded in C#, C...".

And I have my reasons for having chose AutoIt.

Ofc they can detect any language whatsoever...it doesnt matter... I just dont like autoit personally, since i seriously hate basic, and i hate not having alot of control regarding how i hook shit and import stuff...

have any users got banned with gnometools? i have succesfully botted my priest from 1-48 now, in a week, or something like that, and now im wierd, is it SAFE to continue? will they detect me easy if I get reported or what? please answer

Software detection is completely diffrent from playerreports... For player reports, it would be a GM handing out the suspension and starting a case against you. GMs have no say in softwaredetection.


Basically you have to see softwaredetection like antivirus and virus (and yes i am well aware of antivirus employing certain algorithms to passively detect vira they dont know about, but i exclude that here). You can only detect what you know is there, which is why private bots are working fine without ever getting any heat. Public bots usually get added to the infamous "blacklist" of stuff blizzard checks for. GnomeTools offers no cloaking (sorry, too much scifi and eve online :P) whatsoever, making it piece a cake to catch if they really want to. As i see it, its probably just a matter of time untill it attracts the wrath of the warden-god, and gets on the naughtylist, that is, if its not already there, which would mean that you are already flagged for banning the next wave.

[Dybberg]

okey, but do you know about blizzard, can they se if im online to much? cause ive been online 3 days now on my priest without any logoff

[Pixion]

Whatever happens, I'm not able to fight versus Blizzard.
One guy versus a big industry as Blizz / Vivendi...

We'll see in the future.

EDIT : i'm botting my char 24/24 to test BOT, Ifarmu is too, there is no problems...
EDIT2 : mgX, sorry for maybe having underestimated you, but please, dont talk about AutoIt capicities etc...I'm aware about the restrictions it gives, etc...

[Dybberg]

okey, cheers

[mgX]

okey, but do you know about blizzard, can they se if im online to much? cause ive been online 3 days now on my priest without any logoff

dont worry about that lol....ive bottet alot using some crappy homebrew c# bot (too lazy to make it do lots of stuff). Also used glider and innerspace extensively.... Luckily i have avoided the banwaves by not actually doing anything back when new detectionmethods were added. Glider fell initially, because of a bug in the shadowdriver (funny thing is, even after, it was still detectable if you knew where to look, but apparently blizzard didnt feel like invading too much of your privacy on your pc, probably to avoid lawsuits...). Innerspace was defeated when they started checking for code detours within wow itself, and not with warden, which as i understand it, lax wasnt aware of at the time, since he only monitored new versions of warden, and not the possibilities of extra detection added inside wow itself. The code detour check was defeated after it was discovered, but lax discontinued the project for some reason. Perhaps in fear of lawsuits similar to the one glider is facing atm.



So, my advice to people who wishes to continue botting: grab a book and start learning some programming and make your own bot. Dont use stuff available to the public, and you should be alright. Oh yea, and avoid manipulating certain areas in the wow memory space, like position and speed. Last i checked, warden didnt monitor the orientation...

[Dybberg]

okey cheers, but if oyu reccomend ppl to make own bot, where shall we start?

[Sychotix]

start by learning your own language.

[quakeon]

I think I'm gonna try it ty

[harger]

as silly as it sounds but i learned a bit delphi in school. with some addons and the new "interact with target" and the old "click to move" button its pretty easy to build a pixel reading bot with sending keystrokes. no injection, no memory reading just tabbing thru the mobs and following a waypoint profile. so its no matter of the language you choose, its a matter how smart you solve problems.

[mgX]

as silly as it sounds but i learned a bit delphi in school. with some addons and the new "interact with target" and the old "click to move" button its pretty easy to build a pixel reading bot with sending keystrokes. no injection, no memory reading just tabbing thru the mobs and following a waypoint profile. so its no matter of the language you choose, its a matter how smart you solve problems.

memoryreading is just as detectable as pixelreading :P If you look at how crap like nProtect and GameGuard works, they are considerably more powerful in comparison to warden.... They hook windows dlls and monitor readprocessmemory, sendinput etc, which is the lowest level of the API one can manipulate.


Investigated some more, and it seems that warden currently doesnt detect GnomeTools, nor any other autoit bot. Pretty fun actually, the features to detect these were temporarily disabled some years ago, probably since they werent needed to detect the most common bots like innerspace and glider, which were defeated initially by their own attempts at hiding themselves... Makes you speculate eh?


Sent some thoughts on how to improve gnometools to make it harder to detect to Pix...

(sorry about the lousy english, im writing this 20mins before an oral exam in imaterial law, so im sorta psyched....)

[bwigga]

using the bot tool is so bad for the game

probably the wrong forum to sign up to ....