Scammer jellyneo23

[extinox]

Scammer

Ownedcore Name: jellyneo23
Skype Name: cullnathane
Paypal Name: n/a
Other payment method: Bank transfer
Ownedcore scam link: http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/mmo-...0-account.html (Looking to buy an amazing level 90 account)

Other sites scam link: n/a

Did you use a middleman?: NO

Explain what happened: Ok, this is gonna be one long story.
He contacted me on Tuesday 12.11 via email and PM on ownedcore. He was very open about trying to find different payment method than 2checkout since I don't have CC and all that. I didn't want to agree on paypal because of chargebacks so we decided to go with bank transfer. I asked him for a proof of the payment ( I know it can be simply edited but still) and a photo of the screen with a shoe and a newspaper, he delivered both but without shoe and newspaper but that's not important. It seemed legit. I gave him all the info, he said that it'll take about 1 week for a payment to arrive, I checked his bank, it said that it would take around 4 days. /ok. At this point he "sent" the payment, I gave him all the info so I continued talking because he seemed fair and honest at the time.
Since then I've been checking his ownedcore profile everyday for new posts, if he scammed anyone or anything. I've seen him buying 2 prepaids and wanting to buy spectral tiger /ok. Talked to him about it. Still, everything looked normal, he was still talking and not running with my acc.
Payment was "sent" on Tuesday and on Monday he asked me if I received the money, /nopestillnotthere I asked him about the account and decided to wait for Tuesday (week after "sending" the payment) and added him on my personal skype acc.
Tuesday, sent him a message telling that the money is still not here.
Wednesday, asked him to call his bank and after few messages the "shady as fcuk" thing begins. He says that if I won't get the money by Thursday, he'll give me back the account. Now that's an instant "he didn't send the money, sold the gold and now he'll simply give me the account back which we didn't agreed upon" thing.
On Friday I called my back to ask them how long would it take a transfer from UK to arrive on my Belgian account, they said 2 working days /welpivebeenscammed This is where I'm just surprised and I still don't want to believe he's a scammer, he's still answering my messages, with some annoying delay, but still, he is. I ask him for an explanation. Nothing
On Saturday I decided to recover the account (when I did, I found the ticket to change the ownership of my account, welp), he didn't respond to my pm and this was getting even more shady. He messages me, we talk, his excuse for money not arriving is "I called the bank but like always they say to keep checking". I do remind you, at this point, he NEVER asked me for any proof whether I received the money or not and his "oh, well, I sent this guy 400 euros and he says that he didn't receive it, I might just believe him like that" attitude is.. weird. I mean, if you'd sent somebody 400 euros, you'd be asking for a proof if they say they haven't received it for 1,5 week... Things are getting weirder, he says to wait for money to come, we agreed that if I'll somehow receive the money, account is his, I say that I'm gonna forward the conversation to Eryxon (already contacted him because there's been lack of contact between me and jelly) and right after that he says that the account will now look dodgy and how will he change the account (all the stuff like he'd actually sent the money, which, as of 27.11.2013 he hasn't and imo that's just him getting some more viability in case of topic against him, like this one). We continue talking about now, my account is in his opinion scarred, which again, I'd understand if he'd sent the money and at some point I ask him how is it that he's so calm about his 400 disappearing without a trace but he simply says that it's not mine concern, dodge that and continue to talk how my account is now dodgy (it wouldn't be if I didn't have to recover it after being scammed...). I tell him that we don't have to do this and that it's his call. He didn't respond to that.
Monday 25.11 I asked him if he decided yet. No answer
Yesterday is when it all became ugly and his true nature came out.
I asked him if he's busy, asked him how much gold did he spend. He said 140k (I was 24h banned at this point cuz of my ticket to recover my gold so I couldn't check it | After my ban getting lifted, I checked my account and oh, I checked every character. When I gave him the account, there was exactly 196k gold and I've got a screenshot to back this up but after I checked, about 4k is what was left on the account. Now, if my math is correct 196k - 4k does not equal 140k.) I propose to simply give me the gold back in form of D3 cdkey and a steam game for value equivalent to the gold left after buying the key. As you can see on the screenshot he said that he'll get this sorted for me and I shouldn't worry. He proposed Paypal and the money value but I say no because again, chargebacks. I tell him that I don't want the gold to be traded as well because of my 24h ban after asking Blizz to get my gold back. The "dodgy account" talk begins again. He says that the account WAS already marked when he "bought it", I say it wasn't till I had to recover it after him not paying. "Anyway - leave this to me" Didn't respond my "when should I expect the key?" question so asked him about his profile picture. Now, at this point, he contacted me from an email address with a name Kathleen Oates, had his skype name changed from The Lord to Robert Secaduas and his picture changed to a photo from few articles on the web (Michael Waxman from New York (not UK, what a shock) who works for grouper, I might add that Michael Waxman is at this point in San Francisco, CA according to his tweeter @wxmn).
He dodges the answer about his profile picture as best as he can to then say that he can point me to interviews and all that. He says that Robert Secaduas is a pen name -_- and that Kathleen Oates is his PA... Now some bullshit how he hides when buying stuff like wow accounts and how I think that I've unraveled some big mystery. And says that I'll get the key "when he's ready" .... I ask him when and to specify the date and that I find this whole thing shady and I just want to close the case. Now this is the part when I'm getting furious because of his 180 degrees turn. He now says that it's closed in his opinion and that the gold is separate thing (after all that talk from not that long ago, he now says something completely different) and I'm wasting his time and that my account is useless now thus no rush for the gold... he continues to say that it's better to replace the gold the way I had it (we already agreed twice upon d3 and all that...). When I disagree he says that it's up to him and that agreement has changed. When I say that it will get me even more suspended he answers that according to what I've said (pre 24h ban) Blizzard wasn't concerned. I explain that since they banned me, they are and AGAIN he goes on how the account was dodgy. He finishes with "keep an eye on your ingame mailbox". At this point I'm close to raging, this ******* has not only wasted my time, my account viability to sell it, my gold but also my nerves. He then argues that it's either his way or no gold at all and laughs when I tell him that he owes me the gold. While I'm still trying to be polite and ask for a trade with a trader or something like that, he says that I'll get the gold in my mail and that since he's paying for the gold, I get it the way he wants. You can see all that below. Now before you'll continue to the screenshots I wanted to conclude all that.
Up to some point, as you will see, everything was fine but then all the question dodging, carefully choosing his answers, trying to blame everything on me, even saying that the gold is my fault happens and it's just ugly. At this point Blizzard has without any evidence locked my acc for 24h (its over now), flagged it and said that they won't continue to talk on this matter to me, I lost gold, time and nerves as well as shitload of hope in online trading... I just want this to end.

Proof:
There's 27 shots in total so I'll just link the first one so you can see the whole thing without me spamming the thread with links.
Deleted since no longer needed
Picture 25 is his proof of sending me the payment with normal camera, 26 is a screenshot. 27 is a ticket he made to change the ownership of my account.

If there are any questions, I'll answer them as best as I can. Remember, though, that this is a lot of conversations and a lot of him trying to made a fool out of me.
Regards,
extinox

P.S Sorry for the typos. As I'm reading this again I'm trying to correct 'em all.

[Hellscreamer]

Alright if you don't mind, i'm gonna make this easier for the mods to read this



jellyneo23 wants to buy your WoW account -> You both conversated about which Payment method and it ended with Bank transfer -> You gave him the account details and then he told it would take about 1 week for the money to arrive to your account -> He sent the money on Tuesday but on Monday when he asked if the money arrived, they had not arrived ->

He sold all the golds on your account for money so you recalled back the account because you never recived the money, that was about 140k gold and your account got temporarily banned because a ticket to recover your gold but when you gave him the account at first place it was 196k gold[/COLOR] ->

You propose to get d3 key + a steam steam game equal to the gold that he spent -> He proposed PayPal but you said no because you're afraid for money being recalled and also you doesn't want him to trade you that amount of gold that he owes you because blizzard already banned you once -> He says that the account WAS already marked when he "bought it" -> You explained him that it wasn't until you had to recover it after him not paying

-> he contact you from an email address, with another name and his skype name was changed + skype profile photo -> He has two names that he use Robert Secaduas is a pen name and Kathleen Oates is his PA -> He explains that he will get the key when he is ready and you ask him when and to specify the date - After all the talk he then tells that he doesn't longer care about the gold or the account and that makes you angry - He also tells that it is better to replace the gold the way I had it ->

You disagree and then he tells you it's up to him and the agreement has been changed -> You say that it will get me even more suspended he answers that according to what I've said (pre 24h ban) Blizzard wasn't concerned -> you explain that since they banned me, they are and AGAIN he goes on how the account was dodgy

-> He replies "keep an eye on your ingame mailbox" and that answer makes you even more angry then you already was



A moderator will review this when they got time but to me this is a clear scam.

[extinox]

Thanks, Hellscreamer,
It's a shortened version of the short version but it gets everything right.

[jellyneo23]

[26/11/2013 20:17:33] Maciej Borek: Will it be this week?
[26/11/2013 20:17:45] Robert Secaduas: Yes
[26/11/2013 20:17:54] Maciej Borek: I'm fine with that.

That was YESTERDAY

Skype name was changed + skype profile photo - That's not true. Please provide any evidence of that.

[jellyneo23]

Just to note, I decided that instead of giving him a D3 Key, it would be best to restore the account in the condition I received it, hence I enforce the gold.

[extinox]

The quote you just used is from screenshot no. 22 which can be found in the topic already. Nothing really that important. Since then, we've talked even more about it... and all that is on screenshots with the whole context, not some copy pasterino taken from long-ass conversation.
Evidence of changing your skype name (the one displayed..)? Well, on the first screen you're The Lord and over time you changed it to Robert whatever. The fake picture replaces the blank one. Why are we even discussing this?
You're the one who owes ME the gold and I've asked politely, told you that getting that gold via mail would get Blizz even more cranky but well. Not to state that you still say that 140k is all you've spent. Here, the latest screenshot

[jellyneo23]

The quote you just used is from screenshot no. 22 which can be found in the topic already. Nothing really that important.

Well it is important because you said it's fine as long as you got it this week. One day later and you start a dispute.

[extinox]

I expressed my opinion about getting the gold back, that's the first thing. You tried to shove the gold back via ingame email, flagging my account and that's one of the reasons why I started a dispute. You went from being normal guy to "ball is in my hand".. WTF is that even supposed to mean? Not to say that you even tried to blame the loss of gold on me.
You still say that all you spent is 140k while there's 4k gold left on the whole account.
And besides that there's so many things... no payment after 1,5 week, saying that you're Michael Waxman (lol) etc...

[jellyneo23]

Well you know what? Screw you.

[Hellscreamer]

A Moderator will look into this soon.

[Eryx]

Well you know what? Screw you.

You seriously need to change that attitude.

Jellyneo23, you got 24 hours to give extinox his gold back, or take the consequences for it.

In my world there is a simple rule. If you make a problem. You fix it.

[extinox]

You seriously need to change that attitude.

Jellyneo23, you got 24 hours to give extinox his gold back, or take the consequences for it.

In my world there is a simple rule. If you make a problem. You fix it.

I understand that I can choose the method of getting the gold back?
I don't want him to force the trade via ingame mail or anything that can endanger my account even further.

[jellyneo23]

Ban me.

Honestly makes no difference to me.

An no Extinox, you can't choose the method of getting the gold back. You're getting nothing off me.

[extinox]

I love your attitude. You still act like you didn't scam me. I'm really sorry that you didn't pay for the account you "bought", that you sold the gold and that you then tried to blame it all on me.
Liked the "I'm Michael Waxman" effort, tho.

[Watcher]

@jelly You are not getting with it away that easy. So i advice you to solve the issue you got with extinox or i will start posting some stuff about you. And inform other sites if you have an account there to take you out.