Scammer

[toro]

Scammer

Ownedcore Name: krober1490
Skype Name: mtonsen
Paypal Name: -unknown
Other payment method: Steam game keys
Ownedcore scam link: skype conversation mostly

Other sites scam link:skype conversation mostly

Did you use a middleman?: No

Explain what happened: He seemed very legit, had some rep on the site. He wanted to trade a hearthstone betakey for a steamgame key. Seeing as I was new to the site, I offered to go first. After he confirmed that the link worked, he wanted another game with a bit higher value, seeing as he wanted to get more worth out of his beta key. I wanted him to send me the beta key first and I would get him the second game. He refused this, which should've given me a warning. but with 1 game allready invested in this, I sort off thought it would turn out ok. Anyway, after alot of struggle securing his choice of second game, and presenting the key. He asked me where he should send the game too, I offered up my e-mail adresse. then he swiftly said " Allright key sent, thanks for trade", and blocked and removed me from skype.

Proof:
[06:44:16] Toro: hei man
[06:44:23] Toro: I don't have a diablo 3 account
[06:44:30] Toro: but I could fetch that cd key for splintercell
[06:45:38] Mark Tonsen: Yea I can take the cdkey for it
[06:45:57] Toro: I'm new on the fourm so I'll give it to you to sort and checkas you wish
[06:46:04] Toro: seeing as you're betting your reputation for it =)
[06:46:16] Mark Tonsen: Checkas?
[06:46:45] Mark Tonsen: Oh nevermind haha
[06:46:51] Toro: =)
[06:47:23] Mark Tonsen: Alright cool, so to confirm its 1 splintercell blacklist key for 1 hearthstone key right?
[06:47:37] Toro: yes sir
[06:49:21] Mark Tonsen: Hey actually if its cool id take a black ops 2 key instead
[06:49:32] Toro: black ops 2?
[06:49:39] Toro: sure I'll see what I can find
[06:50:53] Toro: could you be more specific?
[06:50:57] Mark Tonsen: [url removed]
[06:51:00] Mark Tonsen: I just googled it and found that one
[06:51:03] Mark Tonsen: Seems like its on sale too
[06:51:31] Toro: thanks for the link
[06:51:36] Toro: I'll get right on it
[06:51:46] Mark Tonsen: Np man
[06:56:51] Toro: X08X0-R73P0-5VM2H
[06:57:13] Toro: that is for the link you sent, I think it's a steam key
[06:57:50] Mark Tonsen: Alright cool, and how much was that?
[06:58:22] Toro: Call Of Duty Black Ops 2 CD Key for Steam
(Product Option: Do not include Nu****wn 2025 pack)
1 £22.50 GBP £22.50 GBP
[07:00:15] Toro: did you check it?
[07:00:17] Mark Tonsen: So thats like 35 usd?
[07:00:21] Mark Tonsen: Yea
[07:00:31] Toro: hmm, no clue what hte pound-usd equivelant is
[07:00:33] Toro: something like that
[07:02:38] Mark Tonsen: You think its fair if I get one more small game then since I was really looking for a 75ish value like the thread said lol, didnt realize the game would be on such a big sale
[07:02:59] Toro: ...
[07:03:06] Toro: tell you what
[07:03:15] Toro: if you'd forward me the e-mail
[07:03:18] Toro: [email protected]
[07:03:24] Toro: I'll check it
[07:03:27] Toro: then get you another game
[07:03:30] Toro: sounds fair?
[07:04:12] Mark Tonsen: Hm whats your ownedcore name? I know you gave me a game but I just have to make sure I wont lose my key for half value
[07:04:20] Toro: toro
[07:04:35] Toro: I'm new at ownedcore, so no creds there yet, sorry.
[07:05:01] Toro: well considering I went out on a leap of faith and got you half your key worth, don't you think it's fair you showe me the same courtesy?
[07:05:23] Toro: as it is: your risking losing half your worth, but atleast you've gained something.
[07:05:39] Toro: yet I risk losing the game I've got you, and another without gaining anything.
[07:05:47] Toro: see where I'm going? =) What would you do in my shoes?
[07:06:50] Mark Tonsen: I understand, but the thing is you can see between my join date and rep I have some credibility, with people who just join and dont actually use the site its not hard to get screwed for the other 50% lol
[07:07:06] Toro: I see
[07:07:16] Toro: but
[07:07:23] Toro: if you had told me this BEFORE I got you the first game
[07:07:29] Toro: we would've been at a different situation
[07:07:32] Toro: you do realize that? =)
[07:07:57] Toro: it's like we make deal A. we agree. I do my part. Then you want an addition to the deal to fulfill your deal A part.
[07:07:58] Mark Tonsen: Yea, the game was honestly just alot cheaper than I thought itd be so I didnt know ahead of time I wasnt getting the full value for my key
[07:08:08] Toro: I see
[07:08:14] Toro: what other game is it that you'd like?
[07:08:55] Mark Tonsen: Hm one sec
[07:12:06] Mark Tonsen: [url removed]
[07:13:59] Toro: y but this item is currently unavailable.
[07:14:05] Toro: says so at the lientnk yo
[07:14:09] Toro: right under shipping
[07:14:34] Mark Tonsen: Hm try this one
[07:14:34] Mark Tonsen: [url removed]
[07:15:33] Toro: so 50+35 is fair
[07:15:39] Toro: 10 over your worth =P
[07:15:57] Mark Tonsen: Lol sorry that one has some dlc so its a bit more but atleast its instock
[07:16:13] Toro: =)
[07:16:59] Toro: I guess it's worth 10$ for not having to deal with shitty scammers =P
[07:17:29] Mark Tonsen: Yea it saves you alot more than getting screwed
[07:18:52] Toro: apparantly buying 2 games in short while won't let me get the key straight away
[07:18:55] Toro: something about anti fraud
[07:18:59] Toro: I'll sorty this, 2 sec
[07:20:07] Toro: " Sorry, but your order status means we cannot send your key yet.

Your order status is
Pending


Please check below for descriptions on what each Order status means

Order Status Pending means that we require anti-fraud documentation from you... PLEASE CHECK YOUR EMAIL for further instructions."
[07:20:09] Toro: hurr hurr
[07:20:33] Mark Tonsen: Hm damn, i wonder if they have live chat
[07:21:29] Toro: [url removed]
[07:21:42] Toro: got phone support, but what time zone they are in, I'm clueless
[07:27:36] Toro: respond time on tickets are 24-48 hours
[07:27:48] Mark Tonsen: Uh
[07:27:56] Mark Tonsen: Did they email you instructions like the last email said?
[07:28:15] Toro: no
[07:28:18] Toro: but the faw
[07:28:20] Toro: *faq
[07:28:36] Toro: says that they need some id documents, like a picture of my driving license.
[07:28:49] Toro: I'm guessing they send out those e-mails while they are at work
[07:28:54] Toro: 9-9 in some timezone
[07:29:22] Toro: I could send you both mails, and we can sort this out eventually
[07:29:31] Toro: so you can see that I've acctually bought the game.
[07:29:50] Toro: and perhaps you'll met me check out hearthstone while we wait for that?
[07:29:54] Toro: what's your e-mail?
[07:33:20] Mark Tonsen: Hm well I think I have an idea, that order can just be canceled since they wont deliver it till you send them an id right?
[07:33:36] Toro: it's payed through paypal
[07:33:39] Toro: money is allready sent
[07:33:46] Mark Tonsen: They can issue you a refund
[07:33:49] Toro: I'm guessing it's as much a hassle to sort it that was as another
[07:33:53] Toro: I can
[07:34:15] Toro: but, if you are still not willing to send me the heartstone key, you do see how I'm getting doubts here?
[07:34:16] Mark Tonsen: Well if you request a refund for a game they didnt actually give you there should be no problem getting it back
[07:34:40] Toro: no, there won't. I'm just questioning why the trust only flows one way here.
[07:35:12] Mark Tonsen: Not to sound rude but its hard to trust members who just join and have no rep
[07:35:25] Toro: yeah I've heard that
[07:35:33] Toro: and do you think someone planning on scamming you
[07:35:36] Toro: would give you a free game
[07:36:31] Mark Tonsen: No, but if its possible to cancel that second order instead of waiting 24-48 hours to get it it would be alot nicer
[07:42:02] Toro: it's a steam game, right?
[07:42:20] Mark Tonsen: Yea
[07:42:30] Toro: whats your steam name?
[07:42:41] Toro: I'll just gift you the game, and cancell the order.
[07:42:53] Mark Tonsen: I dont want a gift if thats what your looking to do
[07:43:00] Mark Tonsen: Too easy to reverse it
[07:43:06] Toro: I see
[07:43:19] Mark Tonsen: I can just give you another site
[07:43:46] Toro: sure, I just thougt I'd avoid the "site" troubles all together by using steam.
[07:50:02] Toro: btw
[07:50:25] Mark Tonsen: Hm?
[07:50:36] Toro: almost got it
[07:50:55] Mark Tonsen: Oh they actually responded?
[07:51:27] Toro: nah, I sent em an e-mail cancelling the order
[07:51:41] Toro: will demand it back from paypal if it doesn't go through
[07:51:48] Mark Tonsen: Oh ok
[07:52:01] Mark Tonsen: Ill take this game instead, its a bit cheaper than the other one, and the site should be faster
[07:52:04] Mark Tonsen: [removing url to be able to post this]
[07:52:12] Toro: ...
[07:52:19] Toro: I've allready ordered the game
[07:52:23] Mark Tonsen: ...?
[07:52:29] Mark Tonsen: From where
[07:52:31] Toro: talking to live chat
[07:52:40] Mark Tonsen: Oh well thats fine
[07:52:44] Mark Tonsen: Didnt know you ordered it
[07:52:44] Toro: gamekeyz.net
[07:59:08] Toro: are you content with waiting an hour-ish?
[07:59:23] Toro: "Support Chat Online:

The keys arrive at your Paypal E-Mail address 5 - 120 min after payment."
[07:59:50] Toro: apparantly they get cheap keys by buying bulk retail orders then selling the keys
[08:00:03] Toro: so they find the game and pictures the code, logs it then sends the code
[08:00:58] *** Toro sendt IN009169.pdf ***
[08:01:07] Toro: here is proof of the order.
[08:01:20] Mark Tonsen: Hm ok we can wait I guess
[08:01:25] Toro: while we do
[08:01:45] Toro: would you be so kind as to show me the courtesy of for fulling your part of the deal?
[08:01:55] Mark Tonsen: How do i know you wont cancel it after
[08:02:01] Toro: been working hard to sort the extra game for you, which wasn't part of the original deal
[08:02:03] Toro: hey man
[08:02:07] Toro: I'm doing you a favour here.
[08:02:35] Toro: if i didn't want to give you another game, I wouldn't bother with all this nonsense.
[08:03:00] Toro: it's almost not even about that anymore
[08:03:03] Toro: we HAD a deal.
[08:03:09] Mark Tonsen: Well I wouldnt call it nonsense, it was really only fair since a hearthstone key is worth more than 30 bucks
[08:03:20] Toro: you demanded more after the deal was accepted.
[08:03:39] Toro: then I struggle through it, to sort you out, the last I could expect is some sort of proof, don't you think?
[08:03:56] Toro: I mean I'm still living on faith here, atleast you've got 30 bucks worth....
[08:04:10] Toro: most deals involving risk are done half now half later anyway =/
[08:04:27] Toro: you need to earn your first rep somehow, don't you =)
[08:04:59] Mark Tonsen: I think your worrying a bit too much over this, why dont we just wait a bit longer to see if the key comes, and if its not here after an hour I have no problem just giving you the key, Im not out to screw you, just trying to complete the transaction
[08:05:27] Toro: meh, guess I'm on edge.
[08:21:01] Toro: meh, waiting is so tedious
[09:51:37] Toro: guess we need to wait abit longer than an hour =/
[10:19:42] Toro: you here?
[10:19:50] Mark Tonsen: Yea
[10:20:24] Toro: ce0vw-w6f97-9cfzl
[10:21:20] Mark Tonsen: What email would you like they key sent to?
[10:21:49] Toro: [email protected]
[10:23:17] Mark Tonsen: Alright key sent, thanks for trade


could get screenshots of the conversation, if you think it's forged....

[magnu14]

Skypename of you toro?

[Watcher]

We take only screenshots as proof. And add his profile to it so his skype name is visible. I will send him an mail once you posted screenshots