Enchanting dispute

[thespellz]

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Terry705 has been notified.

[TerryCole]

We have not take any gold from your account. All that was spent was used for leveling profession. Enchant is one of the most expensive professions. I slightly misunderstood you when we talked about how much gold should be spent. I understand you so that we leave about 50g on the account, but not going to spend 50g on leveling 156-290, coz it's impossible. But anyway all we did is leveling profession using the resources of your account as agreed. It seems that you don't understand how much it really costs, if you think that 50g on the server which is not yet even one month would be enough to leveling 156-290 enchant. You didn't show all our dialogue. Now I am not at home and it is not convenient for me to provide all the information, I will once again talk to my booster and write to you where we spent every gold from your account and download the screenshots of our full dialogue.

[thespellz]

NoobYesterday at 7:07 AM
I dont need 300 exactly. 290 would be nice. I need it done within the next 7 hours otherwise I'll just do it when I get home
How much gold would be used also? Trying to keep it under 50g if possible

Terry ColeYesterday at 7:10 AM
Yes I think that’s should be enough
He will use minimum of your gold

welp, i'm at 285 so the service wasn't completed regardless and you said 50 gold would be enough. To my surprise you spent 168 gold and sold another 50g in items from my bank to try to cover it up. Left 11 gold on my account by the way, which is shown in the screenshots, not 50.

[DvASystems]

I'm not sure I completely understand this dispute. What service is this person exactly providing?
Enchanting from 150-290 is incredibly expensive especially when it comes to enchanting on a new realm. Did you pay someone 30$ to click a few buttons for you?

[thespellz]

I'm not sure I completely understand this dispute. What service is this person exactly providing?
Enchanting from 150-290 is incredibly expensive especially when it comes to enchanting on a new realm. Did you pay someone 30$ to click a few buttons for you?

Yes I had bought materials for 200+ the night before and had them in my bags as well as 179 gold. I went to work friday which is when i bought the service, so i paid $30 to click a few buttons and level me up, grab the recipes from uldaman ect. so when i got home i could just go back to leveling and not worry about leveling enchanting. I confirmed with him that it would not cost over 50 gold to reach 290, so i went through with it, only to log in with 11 gold and my bank wiped.

[TerryCole]

I'm not a scammer! I have been using ownedcore for several years and this is my first dispute here. Over the years I have received only positive feedback and no negative! I am engaged in providing services in WoW Vanilla for more than 3 years and during this time our team has completed hundreds of orders for leveling professions. We are professionals and know how to level the profession with minimal cost.

Also i have 220+ positive feedback on epicnpc and i'm moderator in the section WoW Classic.

Few weeks ago we already work with this guy. We have leveling same character 10-30 for 115$. The order was executed in the stipulated time and the client was satisfied. Why would I steal 100g from him now? And ruin the reputation I've earned over the years, that would be very stupid. I wouldn't ruin my reputation for $ 10,000. Because I'm an honest man not a scammer. Providing services in this area is my main job.

This is our first deal: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

I misunderstood the client when we talked about how much gold should be spent. He told me that he has a 180g and a bunch of ingredients for low level enchant leveling in a bank and I realized that we have to leave on account of about 50g, but do not leveling enchant 156-290 for 50g, it's impossible! Enchant is a very expensive profession. We stopped at 285, as the client asked to leave about 50g on the account. And I asked him a question, leave about 50g and finish at 285 or we will spend all the gold and get to 290. Then he offered in return to leveling a little bit of his character, but we could not do it. And we started arguing. I described to him that had spent his gold, but he still sent me links to guides and called me a scammer. I asked him to open a dispute to settle with us, as the client does not understand how much is actually leveling profession, and referring to the guides calls me a scammer.

This is full our dialogue: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

160x Vision Dust for 11 silver each = 17g
Uldaman recipes = 12g
Recipes before uldaman = 5g
Truesilver rod = 2g
250 dream dust (~55 silver each) = 138g
Recipe boots greater stamina for 280-290 skill = 11g
We did not use all that we received and the rest was auctioned at a total cost of about 40g

It would be possible to leveling profession cheaper if we had about a week, but we agreed on 7 hours and work with the auction and the use of resources of the character. With the economy of the new server is cheaper to do the impossible.

[thespellz]

I'm not a scammer! I have been using ownedcore for several years and this is my first dispute here. Over the years I have received only positive feedback and no negative! I am engaged in providing services in WoW Vanilla for more than 3 years and during this time our team has completed hundreds of orders for leveling professions. We are professionals and know how to level the profession with minimal cost.

Also i have 220+ positive feedback on epicnpc and i'm moderator in the section WoW Classic.

Few weeks ago we already work with this guy. We have leveling same character 10-30 for 115$. The order was executed in the stipulated time and the client was satisfied. Why would I steal 100g from him now? And ruin the reputation I've earned over the years, that would be very stupid. I wouldn't ruin my reputation for $ 10,000. Because I'm an honest man not a scammer. Providing services in this area is my main job.

This is our first deal: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

I misunderstood the client when we talked about how much gold should be spent. He told me that he has a 180g and a bunch of ingredients for low level enchant leveling in a bank and I realized that we have to leave on account of about 50g, but do not leveling enchant 156-290 for 50g, it's impossible! Enchant is a very expensive profession. We stopped at 285, as the client asked to leave about 50g on the account. And I asked him a question, leave about 50g and finish at 285 or we will spend all the gold and get to 290. Then he offered in return to leveling a little bit of his character, but we could not do it. And we started arguing. I described to him that had spent his gold, but he still sent me links to guides and called me a scammer. I asked him to open a dispute to settle with us, as the client does not understand how much is actually leveling profession, and referring to the guides calls me a scammer.

This is full our dialogue: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

160x Vision Dust for 11 silver each = 17g
Uldaman recipes = 12g
Recipes before uldaman = 5g
Truesilver rod = 2g
250 dream dust (~55 silver each) = 138g
Recipe boots greater stamina for 280-290 skill = 11g
We did not use all that we received and the rest was auctioned at a total cost of about 40g

It would be possible to leveling profession cheaper if we had about a week, but we agreed on 7 hours and work with the auction and the use of resources of the character. With the economy of the new server is cheaper to do the impossible.

First off, your reputation that you have built up can be kissed goodbye, the fact that you are forcing the blame on me that "enchanting is a expensive profession" has no say here considering you said 50 gold would be plenty before i even made the purchase. Secondly, yes i did buy a character boost from you and everything went smooth as can be, done on time, correct level, everything good to go, but again, has nothing to do with this.

So here is where your spin on words is irritating me. I never said spend all of my gold except for 50 gold, and even if i did, i also never said go into my bank, i said all of the materials were in my inventory, I asked you beforehand if 50 gold was enough and you said it should be plenty.

1. I never received 290+ enchanting, you stopped at 285.

2. Even if you misunderstood and thought i said spend everything except for 50 gold, i still logged in with only 11 gold and my entire bank cleaned.

3. You changed every one of my keybinds for all of my abilities, which you had no business doing considering all you needed to do was enchanting.

4. You changed my hearthstone as well for no reason, again, no business doing so.

5. Enchanting can be leveled to 290 for less than 50 gold because enchants are sought after. When you hit 265, you can sell enchants for material cost instead of wasting the materials for no gain whatsoever.

All in all you told me 50 gold would be enough for 290+ enchanting, i logged in with 11 gold and 30-50 gold missing from my bank in which i never said anything about selling the stuff in my bank. I started the service with 179 gold and logged in with 11 gold and nothing in my bank, how can i make this easier for you to understand that i'm not okay with that and nowhere did i agree to you wasting away my entire accounts resources?

[DvASystems]

the fact that you are forcing the blame on me that "enchanting is a expensive profession" has no say here considering you said 50 gold would be plenty before i even made the purchase.

Okay, please prove to me right here that you can get from 150 to 290 with 50g through enchanting.
Include a spreadsheet to make it more visible for others.

My belief is that the seller thought you meant that he would let the account keep at least 50g by the end of the "service".

[TerryCole]

Okay, please prove to me right here that you can get from 150 to 290 with 50g through enchanting.
Include a spreadsheet to make it more visible for others.

My belief is that the seller thought you meant that he would let the account keep at least 50g by the end of the "service".

Yes, as i said I misunderstood the client when we talked about how much gold should be spent and thought that we must to leave 50g but not spend 50g on 150-290, coz it's impossible.

[eXp0]

Something really doesn't add up here. You made an order with Terry and at the start you said you have the 180 gold and the materials so it's a matter of someone logging in and doing the work of simply clicking buttons to level it up or as per your own words buying it from the AH. You said a few times in different ways it's a matter of just logging in and buying the materials or using what you had, then you go on to say you want to keep it under 50g if possible. Terry then misunderstood you because it's only logical for someone to think you want 50g remaining not 50g in total spent given what you have asked for.

Either you thought they had a bank full of farmed goods to supplement what you didn't have to level your profession cheaper than buying from the AH thus they gained IRL cash for selling you enchanting mats which you never ever question if that's how he would do it.

or

You knew in your head (infact you even asked how they were gonna manage it) that it couldn't be done so you've set him up for an ambush here on the trade forums (I don't see you doing that) or well when you realized this was your own fault maybe you did to get your money back.

Conclusion I've drawn is that you made a contract with someone which you know even now in your own heart was impossible with your conditions, I believe given the text you didn't have a clue how he was gonna do it with only spending 50g maybe you even thought he was duping but you didn't push to get the answer. Nobody is in the right but then everyone is wrong here because Terry failed to properly understand what you asked and you made such a strange, awkward request that nobody in their right mind would be able to achieve within the game rules and when you weigh it all up you have to conclude that despite Terry failing to understand it, you should of double checked everything crystal clear when you knew your order with the 50g condition was very very unreasonable. You asked the impossible, wanted your enchanting leveled but didn't want to pay the price.

Chalk it up to a life lesson maybe? You can't have your cake and eat it.

[thespellz]

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

Really not sure how much more clear i could have been. I didn't second guess a thing because he said it should be plenty. I'm not trying to fuck anyone over, the fact of the matter is he said it would be plenty, then proceeded to clear out my entire bank as well as changing all of my keybinds and changing my hearthstone. If i walk into a bar and ask the bartender how much a beer is and they say 5 dollars, so i say sure and start a tab, then i close out after drinking it and my bill is $15, who is in the wrong? Is it my mistake, i asked for the price and he said it was $5, do i pay the $15 or do i say wait a minute, you said it was $5?

[thespellz]

Imgur: The magic of the Internet
Here's a screenie of 40s each for dream dust by the way, which it is about 300 for 250-290 correct? So there's 120g, but here's also the issue i have, the recipes when you hit level 250 are sought after enchants, meaning you can post in trade and get people to pay for the mats+tip.

156-200+ i had in my bags

200-250 is irrelevant, vision dust is dirt cheap - 7 silver each


15 Enchant Bracer - Greater Strength, using 2 Dream Dust and 1 Greater Nether Essence each time; 250-265
enchant costs 1.8 gold each is it crazy to sell it for 1.8 gold?

25 Enchant Boots - Greater Stamina, using 10 Dream Dust each time; 265-290
enchant costs 4 gold, Is it so crazy to sell a max tier enchant for 4 gold?

Fact of the matter is i confirmed before i purchased that 50g would be "plenty". I don't care how he was going to do it, but he didn't and now i'm down 150g and only at 285 enchanting.

[TerryCole]

As I already said you don't understand what is the real cost of leveling the profession. We didn't use everything that was in yours in your bags. What we could we used for leveling professions from what you had. The rest we extracted buying green things and through the disenchant received the necessary materials to minimize costs. We know how to leveling any profession in WoW Classic and do it with minimal costs. After we have reached the 285 skill of profession i have asked you: we should stop and save 50g or we will continue till 290 and spend all your gold. In this moment we auctioned items are received at disenchant things and after they sell you on the character will get about 50g and meterials for leveling enchant at low levels which you could sell. Even on your calculations which are grossly understated and trying to blame me this is more then 50g and proves I'm not a scammer. But when I tried to explain it to you, you didn't try to understand me to settle it on your own and started threatening me with ruining my reputation and calling me a scammer. So I suggested you open a dispute.

[thespellz]

Again, we established beforehand that 50 gold was plenty.