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    Originally Posted by Werks View Post
    Any updates/progress with the prediction feature?
    It is implemented and working just disabled. It has no games recorded to predict from. The program is currently submitting games to my server to build up a game base to predict from but no one is using the program. My server only has 185 games recorded. The google guy who had the prediction feature had a game pool of 50k+ games I can enable it any time but there is no reason to enable it right now if there is going to be no accuracy to the prediction because there is no games to predict from.

    With no one using the program the prediction feature will probably never be enabled. I have been to busy to play HearthStone myself recently but I wont be playing 50k+ games just so everyone else has a prediction feature.
    Last edited by spAnser; 09-26-2015 at 09:50 AM.

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    Originally Posted by spAnser View Post
    It is implemented and working just disabled. It has no games recorded to predict from. The program is currently submitting games to my server to build up a game base to predict from but no one is using the program. My server only has 185 games recorded. The google guy who had the prediction feature had a game pool of 50k+ games I can enable it any time but there is no reason to enable it right now if there is going to be no accuracy to the prediction because there is no games to predict from.

    With no one using the program the prediction feature will probably never be enabled. I have been to busy to play HearthStone myself recently but I wont be playing 50k+ games just so everyone else has a prediction feature.

    The server is here https://shadowfla.me/ and it displays how many games it has recorded.
    Grab the base pool of games from something like a deck database API or something like hearthstonetopdeck.com, which only lists tournament decks.


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    Originally Posted by Iaccidentallytwink View Post
    Grab the base pool of games from something like a deck database API or something like hearthstonetopdeck.com, which only lists tournament decks.
    It isnt recording decks it is recording how what order people are playing cards in.

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    Originally Posted by spAnser View Post
    It is implemented and working just disabled. It has no games recorded to predict from. The program is currently submitting games to my server to build up a game base to predict from but no one is using the program. My server only has 185 games recorded. The google guy who had the prediction feature had a game pool of 50k+ games I can enable it any time but there is no reason to enable it right now if there is going to be no accuracy to the prediction because there is no games to predict from.

    With no one using the program the prediction feature will probably never be enabled. I have been to busy to play HearthStone myself recently but I wont be playing 50k+ games just so everyone else has a prediction feature.

    The server is here https://shadowfla.me/ and it displays how many games it has recorded.
    This is the problem, people aren't going to use it if prediction isn't enabled. I personally tested this program but stopped after two games because well it wasn't' that useful to me. Without the prediction it's just a card counter and I personally don't care for just that. I feel like you are worried about the integrity or accuracy of the prediction method and therefore have it disabled. But that's just it, if you enable it more people will be likely to use it. It's a bit of the chicken before the egg scenario.

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    Originally Posted by Werks View Post
    This is the problem, people aren't going to use it if prediction isn't enabled. I personally tested this program but stopped after two games because well it wasn't' that useful to me. Without the prediction it's just a card counter and I personally don't care for just that. I feel like you are worried about the integrity or accuracy of the prediction method and therefore have it disabled. But that's just it, if you enable it more people will be likely to use it. It's a bit of the chicken before the egg scenario.
    Well I can probably compile an update with it enabled and stress its inaccuracy with limited games to predict from. I guess if people see it working they might be more wanting to let it learn games ?

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    I'm using it now

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    Originally Posted by spAnser View Post
    Well I can probably compile an update with it enabled and stress its inaccuracy with limited games to predict from. I guess if people see it working they might be more wanting to let it learn games ?
    Yeah I think this would be the best Idea to get people contributing.

    Could even be worth copying the decks from an deck site until you have a large enough source of games?

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    Originally Posted by spAnser View Post
    Well I can probably compile an update with it enabled and stress its inaccuracy with limited games to predict from. I guess if people see it working they might be more wanting to let it learn games ?
    Yeah I think this would be the best idea to get people contributing.

    Could even be worth copying the decks from a deck site until you have a large enough source of games?

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    Originally Posted by BlueAura View Post
    Yeah I think this would be the best idea to get people contributing.

    Could even be worth copying the decks from a deck site until you have a large enough source of games?
    Going to hold off until next tuesday at least when the new expansion comes out

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    Originally Posted by BlueAura View Post
    Yeah I think this would be the best idea to get people contributing.

    Could even be worth copying the decks from a deck site until you have a large enough source of games?
    Going to hold off until next tuesday at least when the new expansion comes out

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    Originally Posted by spAnser View Post
    Going to hold off until next tuesday at least when the new expansion comes out
    People understand that a feature is experimental, I'm actively spamming games with this on and would like something in return for risking a ban.

    If you keep prediction disabled nobody will risk a ban in exchange for nothing, keeping your database very empty - it's a catch 22.

    But you already know this, so what's the real reason you are keeping prediction disabled?

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    Originally Posted by rave105x View Post
    People understand that a feature is experimental, I'm actively spamming games with this on and would like something in return for risking a ban.

    If you keep prediction disabled nobody will risk a ban in exchange for nothing, keeping your database very empty - it's a catch 22.

    But you already know this, so what's the real reason you are keeping prediction disabled?
    Perhaps he simply wants to release a finished product and not have to deal with people complaining that the prediction isn't super accurate?

    @SpAnser - Any chance you feel like adding a detection for arena mode, where it will just keep the decklist / bars on the right for you and not record? Perhaps even suggest the most popular picks or combos with what you currently have?

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    Originally Posted by rave105x View Post
    If you keep prediction disabled nobody will risk a ban in exchange for nothing, keeping your database very empty - it's a catch 22.
    Reading the log files should not result in a ban if they didn't want people parsing the logs they wouldn't even exist. This program does not read the game's memory.

    Originally Posted by BlueAura View Post
    Perhaps he simply wants to release a finished product and not have to deal with people complaining that the prediction isn't super accurate?

    @SpAnser - Any chance you feel like adding a detection for arena mode, where it will just keep the decklist / bars on the right for you and not record? Perhaps even suggest the most popular picks or combos with what you currently have?
    The game does not log what arena cards were presented for choice I would need to implement some kind of OCR to figure out what is available which is even further out of my current reach of knowledge.

    I am uploading a version that has the prediction feature enabled as well as the new GvG cards. However there is still less than 350 games in the database so I can guarantee you that prediction will be extremely bad especially since those 300 games don't include GvG cards.

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    Maybe you can send a email to sites like hearthstats or arenamastery, asking they to share with you their database content for a research.
    Arena mastery I know that do this.

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    Originally Posted by Genocyber View Post
    Maybe you can send a email to sites like hearthstats or arenamastery, asking they to share with you their database content for a research.
    Arena mastery I know that do this.
    Not looking for arena matches this is for predicting constructed.

    Also some might have a database of decks but I'm not sure they run a database of games with card play orders.

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