[Guide] Goldraid / Goldpug

[carma12]

Hello,

I've searched for this topic but I didn't find anything similar to this.


A good korean friend of mine once told me, that in Korea there are Goldraids. I didn't know what the hell that is. He explained it to me. I liked the idea of it very much and I think it's a great way to get gear fast and effective. Also it's a not so boring way to farm gold.



Q: What is a Goldraid?



A Goldraid is a raid where a minor group of people gets carried by experienced and well-equipped players through raidinstances in order to obtain gear.



Q: What is a shopper?



People that want to obtain gear from a raidinstance. They are willing to pay for the gear and want to rush through the instance.



Q: What is a carrier?



People that have experience and good enough gear to carry shoppers through the desired raidinstance for gold. Practically everyone that keeps the group going. If you need a certain item from an instance, but it didn't drop and you were still useful to the group you are a carrier. If it did drop and you obtained it, you became a shopper and lost your demand on the gold.



Q: What is a Goldraidleader?



This is a person, that
- is accountable
- is able to lead a raid
- preserves the gold spent for items until the end of the raid
- trades the items to the shoppers for the gold
- pays the carriers at the end of the raid.



Q: What raidinstances?

Raidinstances that were cleared by the majority of carriers. It is not reasonable to goldraid Icecrown on the first day of 3.3.



Q: What groupsetup?



The groupsetup should obviously be as synergetic as possible and should let room for small errors. If the instance is easy you can take more shoppers with you. For example: 10 T9 carriers should be easily enough to carry 15 shoppers through Naxxramas, a Goldraid for TotGC on the other hand should only have 3-5 shoppers. The Goldraid-concept needs bad geared people with gold.



Q: How to bid/win an item?



The boss dies and the Goldraidleader takes all the items that dropped, since you can trade them with raidmembers for 2 hours. The Goldraidleader posts the items and starts the biddingwar. Here is an example with startingbid 200g and raise 50g(at least):

Goldraidleader: [Item1] bid!
Shopper1: 200g
Shopper2: 250g
Shopper3: 300g
Shopper2: 350g
Shopper3: 400g
Shopper1: 450g
*People stop bidding*
Goldraidleader: 5
Goldraidleader: 4
Goldraidleader: 3
Goldraidleader: 2
Goldraidleader: 1
Goldraidleader: ----------

The Goldraidleader now trades [Item1] for 450g to Shopper1.
People not interessted in the item just keep up clearing the instance.
For Tiertokens it is also possible to set the minimumbid higher than the minimumbid for normal items. Further the minimumbid for items from the endboss can also differ, because some shoppers may only need some specific item.



Q: What about bosstactics?



This is usually only a shopper-problem, carriers should know them. The Goldraidleader, or some other competent carrier asks before engaging the boss if everyone knows the tactic. If everyone does or the survival of shopppers is not important just engage the boss. If there are 3 or more people not knowing the tactic, the tactic will be explained, and shoppers have a quick talk with the carriers from the same kind(tank, melee, caster, healer), if needed.



Q: When will the carriers receive their gold?

If the instance is finally cleared, the Goldraidleader examines which raidmembers were 'guests'. Indicators are
- gear(itemlevel)
- low DPS
- low HPS
- didn't know the tactic
- carrier that won an item
- is a noob^^

[Gold from bids] / ( [Size of the raid] - [number of guests] ) = [Gold that every carrier will receive]



Q: What is with the gold that the bosses drop?

You have the choice. Either you just loot it and it will be equally spread between all raid members, or you can give it to the Goldraidleader and he will give it only to the carriers at the end of the raid.



Q: Is there firstneed or something like that?



There is no firstneed. Shoppers have to pay gold for the items, so they won't bid on anything that they don't at least need a little bit. Firstneed also wouldn't be in the interesst of the carriers.



Q: What to do with items, that nobody needs?



These items will simply be dissenchanted. The shards will usually be sold at the end of the raid for a fourth of the AH-price.



Q: What to do with total noobs?

If there are players in the raid that constantly deter the raid from clearing the instance they will be kicked out and blacklisted. Although people are likely to play serious because their gold is involved.



Q: Are there addons, that help the Goldraidleader?

The only one I've stumbled accross is GoldRaidManager.



Q: What else to note?

To make sure shoppers have enough gold you could have them trading you and type in X gold. Although they won't receive any item if they don't have enough.



As you see the whole Goldraidconcept is all about efficiency. It's really worth it to play as good as you can.


Happy raiding / buying / farming,
carma12

[MAGAMAGAA]

woah this seems like a great idea

[Dale93]

Well, its what is usually reffered to as boosting...
Just for gear in exchange for gold, I've seen it before. But still, nice guide, nice pics, maybe way to large font, but still. Ill guess I can allways throw you a cookie for having a lot of pics, dividing it into parts, etc etc. Its well-written, just next time. Please, change the size to something more like 3/4 so I dont have to scroll after every sentence...

[oscardu]

good guide, nice pics, and good explanation, hope this help someone like helped me.
+rep

[Reflection]

Nicely written and done. I'm sure someone will use it.

[carma12]

Well, its what is usually reffered to as boosting...
Just for gear in exchange for gold, I've seen it before. But still, nice guide, nice pics, maybe way to large font, but still. Ill guess I can allways throw you a cookie for having a lot of pics, dividing it into parts, etc etc. Its well-written, just next time. Please, change the size to something more like 3/4 so I dont have to scroll after every sentence...

I'm sorry. I just tried some different scales and sizes found this to be the best one(on my screen). I made the fonts a little bit smaller, so it should be better readable for everyone.

[Juggernut]

On our server we have these raids and EVERYONE get loot. Some items sell for like 14000 and a minimum req is 10000 to get in the raid. Although in the end if you bought and item or not you earned around 2000 gold.

[Blinky]

One of few guides worth reading. +Rep x3

[pewpewlazerz]

Nicely written out but it could of been said a lot easier :-P

We run these on my server all the time for 25 toc. All items are bid on and the trophies are all bid on at the very end. But instead of it being split between carrier it's just all gold is split 25 ways and everyone gets an equal amount. So if you didnt buy anything you get gold and if you did buy stuff you get a little back.

[Tagmonkey]

You just explained GDKP for the most part. GDKP runs have been going on for months on most servers and have been highly successful. There's an addon specifically made for the system to speed things up and keep gold allocation accurate.

GDKP Run Discussion: Spread it to your Server - Elitist Jerks

Better system though they're pretty similar imo.

[carma12]

I wouldn't have thought, that so much people from EU / US are familiar with graids. I play nearly since release and had never ever heard of anything like this(before my friend told me).

The only lootsystems I've known from my server are
- just roll
- minidkp
- dkp

I mean I know it was possible for some very rich person to pay some topguilds for getting carried through an instance, but the graids took this to a whole new level for me, since I could just join and make some gold myself.

[Unholyshaman]

Excellent guide in my opinion. This is the sort of quality posts that MMOwned needs.

[carma12]

Excellent guide in my opinion. This is the sort of quality posts that MMOwned needs.

Thank you. Much appreciated

[blackfang500]

You just explained GDKP for the most part. GDKP runs have been going on for months on most servers and have been highly successful. There's an addon specifically made for the system to speed things up and keep gold allocation accurate.

GDKP Run Discussion: Spread it to your Server - Elitist Jerks

Better system though they're pretty similar imo.

I was going to basically post this reply to this thread.

[Happyhappy]

So im thinking of trying this, but what to say in LFM? If anyone got a attractive ''LFM message'' i would really appreciate it.