[GUIDE] 1-450 Horde / Alliance Minning Guide!

[lama362]

Alright, so after being here for months and somtimes going on here, I've decided to actually post somthing to benifit the amazing MMowned community . I've been playing WoW for 3 years and have 3 level 80s all with 450 minning. In this guide I'll be sharing with you all of my knowledge of minning and the fastest and most beneficial ways to level it up to 450. Enjoy!


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~Mining Levels & Advantages~

Aprentice 1-75
(75-149) Toughness Rank 1 - increases your Stamina by 3
Journeyman 50-150
(150-224) Toughness Rank 2 - increases your Stamina by 5
Expert 125-225
(225-229) Toughness Rank 3 - increases your Stamina by 7
Artisan 200-300
(300-374) Toughness Rank 4 - increases your Stamina by 10
Master 275-375
(375-449) Toughness Rank 5 - increases your Stamina by 30
Grand Master 350-450
(450+) Toughness Rank 6 - increases your Stamina by 50

Handy tip: Please note the overlap, try not to keep going until you cannot level any more, as you will end up mining lots of nodes and not levelling from it. Beware the time waster.

Requirements
1st you will visit a trainer (obviously), see Mining Trainers just below
Then pick up a [Mining Pick] from a trade goods vendor
Optional, but reccomended, get a friend/guildie or buy from AH either a [Reinforced Mining Bag] or [Mammoth Mining Bag]. Just get what you can afford, then upgrade later on.


~Mining Trainers~

NB: Take note of where these trainers are, remember to level up as you go so as to not waste time.

World of Warcraft Original
Rank: Apprentice, Journeyman, Expert, Artisan

Alliance
Dwarf male, Gelman Stonehand
The Dwarven District - Stormwind
Dwarf male, Yarr Hammerstone
Steelgrill's Depot - Dun Morogh
Dwarf male, Dank Drizzlecut
Gol'Bolar Quarry - Dun Morogh
Dwarf male, Geofram Bouldertoe
The Great Forge - Ironforge
Dwarf male, Kurdram Stonehammer
Auberdine - Darkshore
Dwarf male, Brock Stoneseeker
Thelsamar - Loch Modan
Human male, Matt Johnson
Darkshire Duskwood
World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade (only)
Draenei female, Dulvi
Azure Watch - Azuremyst Isle
Draenei male, Muaat
Traders' Tier - the Exodar
Dwarf male, Prospector Nachlan
Blood Watch - Bloodmyst Isle
Horde
Undead male, Brom Killian
The War Quarter - Undercity [56, 37]
Tauren male, Brek Stonehoof
Lower Rise - Thunder Bluff [34, 57]
Orc male, Krunn
Razor Hill - Durotar
Orc male, Makaru
Valley of Honor - Orgrimmar [73, 26]
Undead male, Johan Focht
The Sepulcher - Silverpine Forest [43.4, 40.5]
World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade (only)
BloodElf male, Belil
Farstriders' Square - Silvermoon
Nuetral
Golblin male, Pikkle
Gadgetzan - Tanaris

World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade
Rank: Master


Alliance
Dwarf male, Hurnak Grimmord
Honor Hold - Hellfire Peninsula
Horde
Orc male, Krugosh
Thrallmar - Hellfire Peninsula


World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
Rank: Grand Master

Alliance
Dwarf male, Fendrig Redbeard
Valiance Keep - Borean Tundra [57.5, 66.1]
Dwarf male, Grumbol Stoutpick
Valgarde - Howling Fjord [59.9, 63.9]
Horde
Orc female, Brunna Ironaxe
Warsong Hold - Borean Tundra [42.6, 53.2]
Undead male, Jonathan Lewis
Vengeance Landing - Howling Fjord [79, 29]
Nuetral
Human male, Jedidiah Handers
All That Glitters Prospecting Co., Magus Commerce Exchange - Dalaran [41, 26]

Mining Veins, Ores & Nodes
Here are some of the more common mining nodes you should see while you are levelling up your profession.




World of Warcraft (Mining 1 - 300)


Copper Vein: Skill Req = 1
[Copper Ore], [Rough Stone], [Blood Shard], [Malachite], [Shadowgem], [Tigerseye]


Tin Vein: Skill Req = 65
[Tin Ore], [Coarse Stone], [Blood Shard], [Moss Agate], [Shadowgem], [Lesser Moonstone], [Rethban Ore], [Jade]


Incendicite Vein: Skill Req = 65
[Incendicite Ore]


Silver Vein: Skill Req = 75
[Silver Ore], [Moss Agate], [Shadowgem], [Lesser Moonstone]


Lesser Bloodstone Deposit: Skill Req = 75
[Lesser Bloodstone Ore]


Iron Deposit: Skill Req = 125
[Iron Ore], [Heavy Stone], [Jade], [Lesser Moonstone], [Citrine], [Aquamarine]


Gold Vein: Skill Req = 155
[Gold Ore], [Citrine], [Jade], [Lesser Moonstone], [Tainted Vitriol]


Mithril Deposit: Skill Req = 175
[Mithril Ore], [Solid Stone], [Black Vitriol], [Citrine], [Aquamarine], [Star Ruby], [Tainted Vitriol]


Truesilver Deposit: Skill Req = 230
[Truesilver Ore], [Aquamarine], [Citrine], [Star Ruby], [Tainted Vitriol]


Small Thorium Vein: Skill Req = 245
[Thorium Ore], [Dense Stone], [Arcane Crystal], [Tainted Vitriol], [Black Vitriol], [Star Ruby], [Blue Sapphire], [Huge Emerald], [Large Opal], [Azerothian Diamond]


Rich Thorium Vein: Skill Req = 275
[Thorium Ore], [Dense Stone], [Arcane Crystal], [Large Opal], [Star Ruby], [Blue Sapphire], [Azerothian Diamond], [Huge Emerald]









World of Warcraft (Mining 300 - 375)


Fel Iron Deposit: Skill Req = 300
[Fel Iron Ore], [Mote of Earth], [Mote of Fire], [Nether Residue], [Eternium Ore], [Golden Draenite], [Flame Spessarite], [Deep Peridot], [Blood Garnet], [Shadow Draenite], [Azure Moonstone]


Adamantite Deposit: Skill Req = 325
[Adamantite Ore], [Mote of Earth], [Eternium Ore], [Nether Residue], [Deep Peridot], [Golden Draenite], [Flame Spessarite], [Shadow Draenite], [Blood Garnet], [Azure Moonstone]


Rich Adamantite Deposit: Skill Req = 350
[Adamantite Ore], [Mote of Earth], [Eternium Ore], [Nether Residue], [Blood Garnet], [Deep Peridot], [Flame Spessarite], [Golden Draenite], [Azure Moonstone], [Shadow Draenite]






NEW: World of Warcraft (Mining 350-450)
Cobalt Deposit: Skill Req = 350
[Cobalt Ore], [Crystallized Earth], [Crystallized Water], [Bloodstone], [Sun Crystal], [Huge Citrine], [Shadow Crystal], [Dark Jade], [Chalcedony]


Rich Cobalt Deposit: Skill Req = 375
[Cobalt Ore], [Crystallized Water], [Crystallized Earth], [Sun Crystal], [Chalcedony], [Dark Jade], [Shadow Crystal], [Bloodstone], [Huge Citrine], [Sky Sapphire], [Monarch Topaz], [Twilight Opal], [Autumn's Glow], [Forest Emerald], [Scarlet Ruby]


Saronite Deposit: Skill Req = 400
[Saronite Ore], [Crystallized Shadow], [Crystallized Earth], [Dark Jade], [Bloodstone], [Chalcedony], [Sun Crystal], [Shadow Crystal], [Huge Citrine]


Rich Saronite Deposit: Skill Req = 425
[Saronite Ore], [Crystallized Shadow], [Crystallized Earth], [Dark Jade], [Sun Crystal], [Shadow Crystal], [Huge Citrine], [Chalcedony], [Bloodstone], [Monarch Topaz], [Twilight Opal], [Forest Emerald], [Scarlet Ruby], [Sky Sapphire], [Autumn's Glow]




~~~~~Now, on to the guide~~~~~

[lama362]

Mining 1-65
Mining [Copper Ore]

You will need to mine approx 30 mining nodes (each node will offer more than 1 [Copper Ore], maybe upto 5)

Mine around 50 copper and then smelt them. We suggest the following areas, try and do quests here as well, otherwise just find copper as you go.

Handy Tip: Make sure to retrain after level 50, to become a Journeyman Miner. Max level for Apprentice is 75!

Handy Tip: Stay close to Hills & Mountain Ranges to find more Ore deposits (nodes)

Horde Mining 1-65
Undead: Follow the Hills!
South -> Deathknell - The Undercity - The Bulwark
North -> Scarlet Monastery to the coast
West then South -> down to Agamand Mills - Deathknell
You should get around 30-40 [Copper Ore]


Tauren: Run around the circle of hills!
Start somewhere in Mulgore and work your way around the cliffs.
Don't forget to hit up the Venture Co mines.
You should get around 40-50 [Copper Ore]
Orc & Troll: Durotar is FULL of copper, but try this small route.
West -> From Razor Hill - Quilboar grounds - the river
North -> Orgrimmar
East -> farmstead
South -> drop into the canyon - exit
South East -> Razor Hill
You should get around 25-30 [Copper Ore] on this route


Alliance Mining 1-65
Human: from Goldshire
East -> Goldshire - Crystal Lake - Logging Camp
South -> follow river - Elwyn forest and Duskwood
North West -> Goldshire (make sure you visit the two mines on this route)
You should get around 30-40 copper ore


Night Elves: Darnassus HAS NO ORES! Go to Darkshore & do a figure of 8!
East -> Auberdine - cliffs
South -> entrance of Ashenvale
West -> coast
North -> Auberdine
East -> Auberdine - cliffs
North -> follow the cliffs - edge of map
South -> - coast - Auberdine
You should get around 40-50 copper ores


Dwarves and Gnomes: Holy cow - Dun Morogh! Just wing it! Seriously, copper is EVERYWHERE!
You should easily get around 40-50 [Copper Ore] running around here.
SMELT! (this should get you to 60ish)




Mining 66 – 125
Mining [Tin Ore], [item]Silver Ore[/iten], [Incendicite Ore] and [Lesser Bloodstone Ore]

You will need to mine at least 60 mining nodes

Handy Tip: Mounts are gold from here on out! They just make the whole route and mining experience quicker and easier, and since being able to get them @ level 35, its almost worth getting one before continuing.

NB: You stop getting skill increases from smelting after level 85, but thanks to expansions Blizzard have made, mining on its own is slightly easier to level.

Horde & Alliance (even on PvP servers you can still use these routes and areas)
Other Ores: non-smeltible, Alliance only questable, horde minable
[Incendicite Ore]
The Wetlands - find Thelgan Rock (its near the entrance to Dun Algaz [53,64]
A cave here is full of spiders and a quest called Incendicite. This is an Alliance only quest, but Horde can still mine this ore. Now the ore itself is completely worthless and its only use is to complete the quest, but both Horde & Alliance can mine it from level 65 until about level 125.
The nodes respawn relitively quickly and you can level up your mining in less than an hour (if your the only one in the cave)

[Lesser Bloodstone Ore]
In Arathi Highlands there is a cave just East of Hammerfall. Path co-ords [80,40]. The ore is used as part of another Alliance only chain quest that's started by Corporal Kaleb in Rebel Camp, Stranglethorn Vale. Starting quest is Krazek's Cookery, which takes you to Krazek [27,77] in Booty Bay for Favor for Krazek which is when you mine the [Lesser Bloodstone Ore].





FROM HERE - You can do 1 of the following routes



Route 1 - Start at The Crossroads
West -> entrance of Stonetalon Mountains
South -> (hugging the cliffs) - Blackthorn Ridge, just north of Razorfen Kraul & to the road & over
East then North -> entrance of Dustwallow Marsh
North -> Northwatch Hold - Raptor Hills - Quilboar Village
West -> The Crossroads


Route 2 - Thousand Needles (from the bottom of the Great Lift)
North West -> Camp Ethok - border of Feralas
then head over to the other side of Thousand Needles
South -> head upto Highperch (as there are a couple of Tin / Iron veins here)
South -> The Screeching Canyon - Freewind Post - Windbreak Canyon
North -> Splithoof Crag - Enter any caves you find - Darkcloud Pinnacle
Back -> Great Lift


Repeat Routes 1 & 2 for about 90mins (get 100+ copper, 50-70 Tin and 30-40 Iron)






Mining 126 – 175
Mining [Iron Ore] and [Gold Ore]

You will need to mine at least 100 mining nodes.

Handy Tip: At level 125, go back to the mining trainer and learn Expert Mining!
Do the Thousand Needle route above, but browse around The Shimmering Flats edge as well this time.

Desolace: Make your way from the your home town to Valley of Spears
Valley of Spears -> Kodo Graveyard
East -> Magram Village - loop round to Shadowbreak Ravine
West -> Mannoroc Coven - Gelkis Village
Back -> to your home town


Ashenvale: Full Circle
West -> Battleground entrance (go around if your Horde) -> the river
North -> up the river (stay close to the bank) -> just before Xavian
East -> river -> Saytrnaar -> Forest Song (watch out for those elites)
South -> Warsong Logging Camp (go around if your Alliance) -> Felfire Hill -> Demon Fall Canyon
West -> Nightsong Woods -> start point


Badlands: Start at Apocryphens Rest - tour Rock Elementals spawn spots
South -> Camp Cagg
East -> Mirage Flats -> follow cliff face -> Camp Boff -> past Agmonds End
North -> past Dustwind Gulch -> Hammertoes Digsite
NorthWest -> Angor Fortress
West -> follow the cliffs -> Kargath (or just before if Alliance)
South -> Apocryphens Rest


Arathi Highlands: from Thandoll Span
East -> North -> Boulderfist Hall -> Follow cliffs -> Witherbark Village
North -> Hammerfall
Horde, loop round the back & go West
South -> northern cliffs
West -> follow cliffs -> Dabyries Farmstead
South -> past Refuge Point -> Thandoll Span


Alterac Mountains: from the entrance to the Ruins of Alterac
West -> past Growless Cave -> around the ruins ridge -> end
Drop down to the coast (you can make it down without dying)
North -> Dandreds Fold
East -> The Uplands, zigzagging between the two cliff faces as you go until you get to Strahnbrad. Now follow the road back to your starting point. If you’re a high enough level, go into the ruins and do a quick sweep.


Stranglethorn Vale: 2 routes here!
Route 1
from Nessingwarys Expedition, follow the hills around the front three sets of ruins (Kalai, Balal and Zuuldaia) then a round the north of the same ruins and return to Nessingwarys Expedition.
Route 2
circle around the Kurzens Compound then head south to Mosh’Ogg Ogre Mound.
NB:If you’re a high level, then do a sweep of the cave and carry on south to the Ruins of Zulmamwe.
Keep going south past the Crystalvein Mine & the Ruins of Aboraz. Carry on into the Mistvale Valley, go west toward the main road.

Now either go to Booty Bay or head back north to your starting point.

Mining 176 – 250
Mining [Mithril Ore] and [Truesilver Ore]

You will need to mine at least 125 mining nodes.

Handy Tip: When you're mining level is 225, go learn Artisan Mining.

money, Money MONEY! Or in WoWs case gold Gold GOLD! Because Mithril & Truesilver is used in many Engineering recipes, your able to sell most of this for a great profit.




Blasted Lands & Searing Gorge: run around the hills, full circuits, Easy!
Just make your way around the hills & mountains in a way that takes you back to your starting location, you can't lose!


Badlands: two good spots here.
Camp Cagg do a circuit around it, take in the Rock Elementals spawn points as wekk
Lethlor Ravine from the Master Dragonscale Leatherworker go into the Ravine, loop round to the north & back out south past Uldaman back entrance
you should pick up a good amount of [Mithril Ore]


The Hinterlands: from Aerie Peak
South -> along cliff face -> East
South -> around the south cliff -> past Jintha’Alor
North -> Seradane
West -> Aerie Peak


Western Plaguelands: just do circuits of the Ruins of Andorhal
Same rule as Blasted Lands & Searing Gorge above


Azshara: from Legash Encampment
East -> Bitter Reaches -> Loop around to the north
West -> along the coast -> past the Jagged Reef
South -> Lagash Encampment


Winterspring: from Timbermaw tunnel entrance
East -> along cliffs -> past the Hot Springs -> Starfall Village
South -> Lake Kel’Theril
West -> along cliffs -> starting point


Stonetalon Mountains: quickly circuit The Charred Vale (can get you 10-15 [Mithril Ore])




Mining 251 – 300
Mining [Thorium Ore]

You will need to mine at least 160 mining nodes.

Ahh Thorium. Fantastic moneymaker. Your also going to score some [Arcane Crystal] from the rich veins, which should sell for around 20g each (depending on your server).

Un’goro Crater: running round and round
make circuits around the craters outter rim
drop into The Slithering Scar
also visit the Fire Plume Ridge
Lots of Thorium here, alas everyone knows it, so your sure to be competing for nodes


Winterspring: from Everlook
South -> Ice Thistle Hills -> check the yeti cave, then exit
South -> Owl Wing Thicket -> check the sourounding hills
South -> Frostwhisper and Darkwhisper Gorge’s
(avoiding the elites)
Head to Lake Kel’Theril -> Everlook


Blasted Lands & Searing Gorge: 2 for the price of 1
Have a quick look for [Thorium Ore] while mining [Mithril Ore]


Eastern Plaguelands: from Tyr’s Hand
North -> Lights Hope Chapel -> The Noxious Glade -> Northdale
West -> Northpass Tower
South -> Blackwood Lake -> Pestilent Scar -> Lake Mereldar -> starting point
NB:You could make a quick diversion to The Fungal Vale, between Northpass Tower & Blackwood Lake


Western Plaguelands: from The Weeping Cave
South -> Gahrrons Withering
West -> Dalsons Tears
NorthWest -> edge of Felstone Field
North (follow cliffs) -> Northridge Lumber Camp -> follow path -> Hearthglen
Double Back from the watchtower
South (follow the cliffs) -> The Weeping Cave






Mining 300 - 330 : WoW The Burning Crusade
Mining [Fel Iron Ore]

You will need to mine at least 30 mining nodes.

Hellfire Peninsula: from the Dark Portal
Anti-clockwise loop around back of Dark Portal section
Continue following mountains around to Zeth'Gor
Follow mountain line to Spinebreaker Post -> Expedition Armoury
Follow edge of world -> Ravagers
North (stick east) -> Hellfire Citadel -> Citadel proper
North (skirt Thrallmar) -> world edge
Head to Forge camps
East following the mountains then South
Now head back to the Dark Portal to complete your circuit


Hellfire Peninsula: from entrance to Zangarmarsh
North (go around all the elite giants) -> loop East -> Temple of Telhamat
Horde should detour to the south
Go into Mag'har Post -> drop into The Pools of Aggonar
do a circuit of the pools here -> head out
South -> Citadel -> south eastern edge of The Great Fissure
make a clockwise circuit here
South -> Stonescythes -> drop into the Den Haal'esh
North then East (follow the mountains) -> Ruins of Sha'Naar


NB: You could also mine [Thorium Ore]. Rich Thorium viens will still be green until about 340

Mining 330 - 355 : WoW The Burning Crusade
Mining [Fel Iron Ore] and [Adamantite Ore]

You will need to mine at least 23 mining nodes.

Nagrand: from the entrance to Terokkar Forest
West -> past Kil'Sorrow Fortress -> around the back of Telaar -> Oshu'gun
Follow the mountains -> Ancestral Grounds
East (along the road) -> Telaar -> drop into valley -> Windy Reed Village
South -> past Burning Blade Ruins -> strating point


Nagrand: from the entrance to Zangarmarsh
East -> past Laughing Skull Ruins -> Throne of Elements
if your flying, check out the Elemental Plateau for the nodes
Go to North side of Garadar -> Halaa
drop into the valley & collect nodes in the cave
Go back up to Sunspring Post -> Ancestral Grounds
North -> past Forge Camps -> Warmaul Hill
You can normally find 2-4 mining nodes in Warmaul Hill


Mining 355 - 375 : WoW The Burning Crusade
Mining [Fel Iron Ore] and [Adamantite Ore]

You will need to mine at least 30 mining nodes.

NB: You could continue grinding out the above routes in Nagrand & now collect Rich Adamantite nodes.

Shadowmoon Valley: 3 different routes to choose from

Easiest route: Just follow the main road around in a circuit
Flying Route 1: From Sanctum of the Stars
South (follow Path of Conquest) -> edge of the world.
South East -> Netherwing Ledge (quick circuit here)
head to Dragonmaw Fortress -> Wardens Cage -> Snactum of the Stars


Flying Route 2: from entrance to Terokkar Forest
North -> past Shadowmoon Village -> Coilskar point
Fly to the Shattered Fields -> back of the Altar of Sha'tar
South -> the Coilskar's -> loop around The Hand of Gul'dan -> The Deathforge
South West -> Illidari Point
North -> Legion Hold -> starting location






Mining 350 - 400 : WoW Wrath of the Lich King
Mining [Cobalt Ore]

You will need to mine at least 75 mining nodes.

NB: You could continue to mine in Outlands, but its MUCH quicker in Northrend from 350. Also remember these are only suggested areas.

Zul'drak: Start from Ebon Watch
East -> Down & Around -> Above Zeramas -> Just before The Argent Stand
North -> Just before Altar of Sseratus
East -> Altar of Rhunok -> Make a trip up & around here
South -> Zimtorga -> Head down the stairs
East -> Just before Kolramas
West -> Following the wall
North -> Back to the left of The Argent Stand


Mining 400 - 450 : WoW Wrath of the Lich King
Mining [Saronite Ore]

You will need to mine at least 75 mining nodes.

NB: This is a PVP area, and you should watch out for hostile attacks, even from above. This is VERY east route if on a flying mount.

Wintergrasp: Beggining from entrance to Sholazar Basin
East -> Staying close to southern mountain range -> Road
North -> Following small section of road
East -> Go straight right through the middle of the map
North -> Heading around tower -> Follow mountain ranges
South-West -> Down the the left of mid tower
(like a V in middle of map)
North-West -> Back upto mountain ranges
(keep following the mountains)
South-West -> Over river -> Continue out of area




Alright well that's about it, if anyone has some questions just post em and I can probably answer them ^_^. Thanks for reading!

[Rocker]

Maybe include some routes? looks like you just copied and pasted from a lot of sites

[lama362]

Maybe include some routes? looks like you just copied and pasted from a lot of sites

Looks like you only have 8 rep and don't know the rules on here, maybe you should go check them out. Never flame a thread unless you back it up with proof. I didn't make this guide for little kids like you, who can't even follow directions.

[Rocker]

Looks like you only have 8 rep and don't know the rules on here, maybe you should go check them out. Never flame a thread unless you back it up with proof. I didn't make this guide for little kids like you, who can't even follow directions.

ummm... I wasn't flaming just pointing it out plus you only have 4 rep? so whats your point?

[lama362]

ummm... I wasn't flaming just pointing it out plus you only have 4 rep? so whats your point?

My point is, I'm actually trying to contribute somthing and all your doing is flamming and say I copied and pasted. Before you make yourself look like anymore of an *******, please do me a favor and find the so called thread I copy and pasted off of, then also find a thread of yours that you made to prove you've actually contributed aswel. Thanks ^_^

[ChildeRoland]

Looks like a flaw in your "contribution".

WoW Comprehensive Mining Guide 1 - 450 | worldwarcraftguide.com.

No +Rep for you.
CnPing isn't my taste.

[lama362]

Looks like a flaw in your "contribution".

WoW Comprehensive Mining Guide 1 - 450 | worldwarcraftguide.com.

No +Rep for you.
CnPing isn't my taste.

GJ, sucks that you wasted time finding that cause I made that a few months ago. Nice try tho

[Syncness]

Did you enjoy manually removing hyperlinks?

On a serious note: Wall of Text, no pictures, and most likely copy and paste.

Sorry no rep here, and just like any other CnP guide, not helpful.
There's another much much faster way to level mining posted in here AND the elite section, you just need to find it.

[holllyywood]

Here's another. WoW Mining Guide 1-450

[[pwn]age]

way to copy / paste
/facepalm

[BlodyWarior]

GJ, sucks that you wasted time finding that cause I made that a few months ago. Nice try tho

any proof to back u up? just pointing at the third post in this topic

[vertigo7]

You're flaming people for pointing out that you copied and pasted, when they have several links as proof, and you're telling THEM that they're making THEMSELVES look like *******s?

Mkay, have fun with that.

Not even CLOSE to getting any rep from me. In fact, I'm not sure on this, but I think you should get infractions for CnP... maybe I misread the rules, but if there's proof, then that's just pathetic.

Oh yeah, and about you "writing that a month ago", there were two different links...

Nice try, though.

[[Ban Hammer]]

Ouch, atleast he got a few posts out of it ;p