Running Your In-Game Casino [CANT GET BANNED]

[Eaassas]

" Running Your In-Game Casino [CANT GET BANNED] "
Erm... look what a pretty message I got today:
"Дата: Събота, 2009, Март 28 18:32:27 EET

Account: ***************
Date of Violation: 28-3-2009
Character name involved: Runicmaster
Type of violation: Casino
Details of incident: Player was running an in-game casino type game.
Consequences for account: Warning placed on account and account suspended for 3 hours.

Greetings,

We are writing to inform you that we have, unfortunately, had to add a warning to your World of Warcraft account and temporarily suspend it. It is with regret that we take this type of action; however, it is in the best interests of the World of Warcraft community as a whole and for the integrity of the game. After your suspension has expired, you will be able to access the World of Warcraft servers again.

Please note that should any further violations of our Rules and Policies occur, this incident will be taken into consideration when determining the consequences to your account. This could include further warnings, account suspension or account termination.

We strongly suggest you review our current Rules and Policies to avoid further action in the future, these can be found at:
World of Warcraft Europe -> Game Policies

You can also find further information on the different levels of account penalty we can apply at: World of Warcraft Europe -> Game Policies -> Account Penalties

Please do not reply to this email as you will receive an automated response. If you have any further enquiries regarding your account status, please send them to: [email protected].

Regards,

English Game Master Team
Blizzard Europe

This is true, he plays on my server and got the 3 hour ban in EU

[SuperChickenofDoom]

Check the guide over again. You'll see in nice easy to read red letters 'DONT DO THIS ON EU, ONLY US.'

[Havocx]

I did this in US, and i received a warning ingame.

[Overaggro]

Eaassas are you the guy that won like 700 gold in my casino or the guy that reported me ? >_< send me a PM with your in-game name please :P

[elky]

I tried it out, got a chat suspension the next day. Funny thing is I confirmed everything with a GM BEFORE starting and he said everything is fine as long as I don't advertise more than once a minute and closer to every 5 minutes. I was advertising on a 4 minute timer.

The GM I talked to after getting suspension said, I quote " Its not a time issue. Its Excessively communicating the same phrase, similar phrases, or pure gibberish."

....

What??? I basically told him that what he said doesn't make sense since anyone advertising for an item "excessively" communicates the same phrase. Anyway, he didn't know what else to say and was being a smart ass.

I was in a ****-you mood right after the conversation so I emailed blizzard about the suspension. I want some answers...if advertising every 4 minutes is considered spamming oooh boy half the server is gonna get reported. >:|

[_duracell]

Calculating Ideal Setups

For those using categorical payouts (i.e. 65-80=2x, 81-85=3x), if you're wondering how to set it up so it's in your favor, here is how you calculate it.

Let's assume you have the following casino setup:

Rolling 1 or 100 = 4x payout, chance of 2/100
Rolling 85-90 = 3x payout, chance of 6/100
Rolling 65-80 = 2x payout, chance of 16/100

Now, if the player makes a 1g bet, he has the following outcomes:

His chances of losing 1g = 76/100

Chances of gaining 2g = 16/100

Chances of gaining 3g = 6/100

Chances of gaining 4g = 2/100

So the player has an Expected Value of -1*76/100 +2*16/100 +3*6/100 +4*2/100 = -76/100 +32/100 +18/100 +8/100 = -18/100 = -.18

This means that the player may expect to lose about .18g for every 1g he bets, 1.8g for every 10g bet, 18g for every 100g bet, etc. A profit margin, for you, of +18%.

Hope that helps!

[sixers2329]

Time to make a blackjack game!

[Justink15]

Calculating Ideal Setups

For those using categorical payouts (i.e. 65-80=2x, 81-85=3x), if you're wondering how to set it up so it's in your favor, here is how you calculate it.

Let's assume you have the following casino setup:

Rolling 1 or 100 = 4x payout, chance of 2/100
Rolling 85-90 = 3x payout, chance of 6/100
Rolling 65-80 = 2x payout, chance of 16/100

Now, if the player makes a 1g bet, he has the following outcomes:

His chances of losing 1g = 76/100

Chances of gaining 2g = 16/100

Chances of gaining 3g = 6/100

Chances of gaining 4g = 2/100

So the player has an Expected Value of -1*76/100 +2*16/100 +3*6/100 +4*2/100 = -76/100 +32/100 +18/100 +8/100 = -18/100 = -.18

This means that the player may expect to lose about .18g for every 1g he bets, 1.8g for every 10g bet, 18g for every 100g bet, etc. A profit margin, for you, of +18%.

Hope that helps!

Awesome post
+ rep

[lagbot]

I think I'm going to make a casino just for fun.

[berryman13]

Nice, made 40g in 30 seconds.

[Mecha71]

Casinos would most likely fall under Title 9 (Code of Conduct) Section B (Rules of Chat) subsection 7:

vii) Participate in any action that, in the sole and absolute opinion of Blizzard, results or may result in an authorized user of the Game being "scammed" or defrauded out of gold, weapons, armor, or any other items that user has earned through authorized game play in the Game;

Note the bolded section. You don't need the intent to scam, just the possibility for it to happen and since the rulesets are setup for the house to always win, thats evidence enough, plus the fact it's their game and they can pull"I can do whatever the hell I want" card at any moments notice. And when they do, you dont wanna be part of the log of casino reports they have collected. just a fair warning.

[SuperChickenofDoom]

Check my first post.

And technically they're not being scammed as long as there are rules and no tricks and its fair.

[zombie240]

I tried it out, got a chat suspension the next day. Funny thing is I confirmed everything with a GM BEFORE starting and he said everything is fine as long as I don't advertise more than once a minute and closer to every 5 minutes. I was advertising on a 4 minute timer.

The GM I talked to after getting suspension said, I quote " Its not a time issue. Its Excessively communicating the same phrase, similar phrases, or pure gibberish."

....

What??? I basically told him that what he said doesn't make sense since anyone advertising for an item "excessively" communicates the same phrase. Anyway, he didn't know what else to say and was being a smart ass.

I was in a ****-you mood right after the conversation so I emailed blizzard about the suspension. I want some answers...if advertising every 4 minutes is considered spamming oooh boy half the server is gonna get reported. >:|

The EXACT same thing happened to me, got 2 "warnings" via email from blizz.....casinos will prob be illegal next patch.

[Mecha71]

Check my first post.

And technically they're not being scammed as long as there are rules and no tricks and its fair.

And how do you know for sure yourself that particular CM/GM isn't just another misinformed lowbie GM like 99% of them typically are. For every blue post saying its legal, there's a couple more that say its not. There's already been contradicting reports of people from the US using "fair" rulesets and still getting bans. Just like the guy above, one GM says its totally cool and a second later your getting handed a ban.

The general consensus with majority of people talking about it on the blizzard forums is that they hate casinos with a passion thanks to spammers so I wouldn't risk much longer with casinos. Expect another "Clarification" soon with them saying any form of it is not allowed.

[zombie240]

STOP RUNNING CASINOS NOW!!!

GOT THIS EMAIL FROM BLIZZARD:

"Access to this account has been temporarily disabled due to inappropriate
advertising activity within the World of Warcraft, and we are currently
conducting a thorough investigation on this issue. Any recurring subscriptions
on this account have also been suspended to prevent further monetary charges.

We are committed to concluding this investigation as quickly as possible, and
appreciate your patience as we attempt to resolve this issue. We sincerely
apologize for any inconvenience you may experience and will contact you again as
soon as this account's review is complete. Please be aware that we will be
unable to provide any additional information regarding this matter until the
conclusion of the investigation.

Thank you again for your time and patience in this matter."


I NEVER SPAMMED, NOR SCAMMED ANYONE. THEY ARE CRACKING DOWN ON CASINOS, BE CAREFUL!