0 / 31 / 40 DK dual wield talent build guide.

[Jahvec]

I myself am using this 0 / 31 / 40 dw spec. I myself think that 30% disease dmg is bit more important than 2% dmg increase from boneshield since the 3.0.8 patch. Also these dual wield specs needs loads of Hit rating and Expertise (that I forgot to mention earlier), so be sure you have 250+ hit rating and over 6 expertise (more the better in this build) also Crit rating over 20% is nice to have. But Hit rating and Expertise is much more needed than Crit rating at start.

My own variation doesnt care much about how long those diseases last, and focuses around pet also witch is important to keep up in boss fights. Also this is rather 1 target dps spec than aoe spec (only few bosses in Naxx has corpses of their adds near boss to use Corpse Explosion on for example, tho you can take CE and be and rule dps in trash mobs but lose dps on boss fights).

my own dps roll would be:

IT - PS - HB - BS - BS - DC DC (or gargoyle right away on boss fights without using Death Coil, to get it to cd fast so it can be used quite few times)

and second roll would be:

IT - PS - HB -IT - IT - DC DC (note that if you have gargoyle out, I suggest you only do 1 Death Coil before starting new dps roll again)

IT - Icy Touch
PS - Plague Strikes
HB - Howling Blast
BS - Blood Strike
DC - Death Coil

This would be spec I am using.
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Also I would suggest slow weapon on main hand and fast in off hand.

and as it comes to runes I would suggest using Razorice on main hand for constant +5% frost dmg and rune of fallen Crusader on off hand, since most of the spells your will be using here is Frost based dmg spells.

I hope someone finds this spec also as entertaining. I know it's almost the same as the one spec, but it has few diffirences (as in leaving boneshield, Corpse Explosion, Epidemic and Unholy aura away, but I myself like the benefit of 5% bonus dmg from Desecration since in boss fights such as Kel and Sapphiron there aint many corpses around to blow out. Also I find Epidemic not so important becouse the dps roll in this spec starts all over again before those runs out.)

Hope some may find this usefull

Note: this spec is taken from similar spec from WoW forums, althought I left out 1 point in Rime and boneshield to get 70% aoe spell resist in Night of the Dead talents for pet (witch ensures your pet will be up almost constantly in boss fights). The spec that I edited this from was 0 / 32 / 39 in old 3.0.2 patch. The person witch made spec that I tuned myself a bit is Ninlei, and can be found from Wow eu DK forums from topic: Ninlei's Dual Wield raid DPS VOL.2
So credits for making me tune this spec goes mainly to Ninlei.

There aint any similiar build to be found in Wowwiki yet, so this spec needs testers ^^
(Therefor I would name this as "DW Puppet Master" build becouse it focuses on your Ghoul, sorry Metallica :P)

Also I would reguest some feedback if theres something I didnt notice to tell here or there's something you want to change considering spec, runes etc.

[anouxa]

i kind of like dw more for dps where as i reserve dw for tanking, i just don't find dw no matter the build effective at all in dps

[Jahvec]

DW as tank is or was better as in 3.0.2. patch yes since there wasnt Rune of Stoneskin Gargoyle, but problem as dw tank was the need of extra hit rating and expertise it needed to hit. But this is just option to all those 2 hander dps specs. Dps as dual wielder needs more hit rating ofc and expertise than 2 hander, but I think this is kinda nice. I myself find dw more effective in dps than 2 hander when you have inaf hit rating and expertise.

And I found out that this spec does (with my 80 blue weapons) +2k dps, where so called Vampire 2-hander spec (can be found in wowwiki) did ~1,7k dps with my HoL HC epic axe. and note that my dk itself is almost fully blue geared. And ofc, Better gear = better dps. And I'm talking about single target dummy, not 3, for the a reason. HB would hit those 3 target dummys aswell witch would rise this specs dps about 200 - 400.

[Ketty]

2h beats DW atm. I got ~2,5k-3,7k while they got 2,2k. Some got even better gear than me.
I've been with DKs with all kinds of specs, and so far i've found out that 2h with this build I've created beats DW 0/31/40.
Also, theres no correct "rotation" as DK. It's just hold diseases up, get death runes, use death runes on abilities like heart strike, howling blast/obliterate and scourge strike, use heart strike, howling blast/obliterate and scourge strike as your main ability which depends on spec.

[Jahvec]

only thing here I can counter argument is that if you use that "dps rotation" I have placed there, your diseases will last on mobs ^^

I dunno about your 2h spec, never tried so I cant say a thing about it. But if your dk dual wielders has almost same dps as mine witch is almost full blue, I'm wondering about their gear vs. yours ^^

Please note that I made this topic for dual wielding DK's as optional spec, not for saying this spec rules all specs in dps (but as far as I am considered, this spec can also go up to 3,5k dps with right gear. And even my dk can get 3,5k dps if I just blow Army of the Dead in target dummy test, I dont recommend doing so in any intances becouse of their taunt). Also I've been in HC intances in this spec, proven it to go over 2,5k dps on multiple mobs thanks to Howling Blast (gone over 3k dps also in multible mob pulls with it when I included pestilience after IT - PS so they had Frost disease for Howling Blast. so Remainder, this is only basic dps vs. 1 target dummy).

But as said, my dk's gear is full blue so this spec requires testing of better geared Death Knights in there ^^.

Please make your Feedback conserne this spec rather than "mine is better than yours" comments. For example "It might raise the dps in that spec a bit if you switch place of the runes".

edit: on 3 target dummys (not the boss one since I lack too much hit etc on my dk) my score was 2,2k dps, and my stats are with only self buff: 862 str, 2369 ap, ONLY 178 hit rating, 21.99% crit rating, ONLY 4 expertise on both hands. so I'm doing 2,2k dps with this spec with complete lack of important stats. So I am asking for help here and feedback from better geared dk's.

[[Soul Eater]]

I think it differs much. Yesterday I did Nax 25 man, there were 4 death knights including me. 1 Death Knight tank (2h) , 2 2h Death knight, and myself being a DW dk DPS with 0/31/40 my own way. I did around the 3K dps on mobs (aoe) and they only had like 2k on mobs. On bossess I hit around the 3.9-4.2k DPS and they only did max 2.7k .

Maybe it depends on the player using it, I have tried 2H before and I also was at max 2-3K dps. Oh before I forget, I am only in 1 T7, the 2 handers had epic weapons and 3-4/5 T7, so they greatly outgeared me, but still do minimum damage. But that is just my view on it, I myself prefer to DW dps since it is alot more of fun then doing 2H dps. 2H dps is more for PvP imo.

[Jahvec]

Thanks for the Feedback, Now I atleast know this has some chances in dps with better gear. I also find it much more fun to be like "rogue in plate" as in getting many white hits fast rather than 1 big white hit every once and then. ^^

[chimx6x]

well DW got nerfed with the patch
and they said that the will remove the CD of howling blast and buff the DW spec, but due of an patch error the CD for HB is still there so

and what remains is the nerf ...

guess DW specc will be doing max dmg after the HB CD prob is fixed

numbers from our best equiped dk in naxx 25 trash + boss avg

dw pre patch: 4,1k dps
dw after patch: 3,0k dps
2h after patch: 3,9k dps

so right at the moment he's 2h specced, I am sure he will respecc dw at least to try it

[Jahvec]

True, there is punch of patch errors in patch atm, our realms wg is stuck for allys atm etc.

[chimx6x]

or the 2 min cd for summoning o_O

well done blizzard

[naxxgor]

They are not patch errors. The HB cooldown change was reverted, but the tooltips etc weren't updated because they pulled off the change in the last minute. Warlock summoning has the cd intentionally, too. They said it was to prevent and exploit and it will be fixed in the next few days.

[Jahvec]

Well atleast our Wintergrasp is error in my opinion since it rly is stuck on ally side There aint coming so called "next battle" ^^

[Bunster]

True, there is punch of patch errors in patch atm, our realms wg is stuck for allys atm etc.

Yup i hear ya lol

[awgher]

If you lost 1k dps from the patch you're just bad at playing the build. When I switched to DW long before the patch all the other DKs in my guild followed me because I was putting out close to 5k dps and not one of them ever could pull numbers close to mine besides on trash. If you don't know the spec you arn't going to perform well.

[Dori]

Im specced exactly like this.

My rotation is. IT-PS-HB-BS-BS-RPDump........HB-PS-IT-IT-IT-RPDump......Repeat

Putting out around 3,8k DPS on Naxx 10 boss fights.

Stats are 3076 AP , 22% Crit , 439 Hit. Unbuffed that is.