Mists of Pandaria Stat Changes

[dj_cRaZy00]

I found this while stalking some websites and i thought it could be interesting for someone. It was posted by Ghostcrawler on the US battle.net site.



Our recent talent calculator changes led to some players asking questions about how character and item stats were changing, because some spell and talent tooltips suggest that changes are coming. We compiled this list to attempt to explain more of what’s coming in Mists of Pandaria. First of all, please note that we actually aren’t making many stat changes compared to the ones we made in Cataclysm (“armor penetration -- gone!”). Second, the stuff below can get a little technical. If you’re not into the subtle nuance of gear itemization, then don’t worry about it -- you don’t need to be to enjoy the expansion -- but we know there are plenty of you who enjoy some nuts and bolts talk, so here we go.

Spell Resistance

• Spell resistance is gone. There are no buffs that improve it and there shouldn’t be much, if any, spell resist gear left. We always thought the system was hard to understand and we weren’t getting much gameplay out of it. Now taking a step back, we can imagine how to develop a game where you’d want various forms of resist gear for certain situations and opponents. Resist gear could potentially be interesting, but it isn’t currently in World of Warcraft -- the game has just been moving away from that sort of thing for years.

• In the absence of spell resistance, there is no need for spell penetration on gear, so we’ll remove it as well.

Hit and Expertise

• We still think having stats that can be capped is a good game design. Rather than focusing solely on stacking your best stat, you have to decide how valuable it is to hit your target before you go back to stacking your best stat. However, we are making some changes.
• Hit and spell hit will no longer be separate stats. The hit stat negates melee miss and spell miss.
• Expertise will negate dodge and spell miss, then parry.
• Expertise will be listed as a percentage, just like hit, instead of having an intermediary stat.
• We are normalizing hit with expertise, so that 1% of each stat will require the same amount of rating.

• We are normalizing melee and spell hit, so that spell hit is equal to miss plus dodge.

• Against an equal level creature: 6% spell miss, 3% melee miss, 3% dodge, 3% parry (from the front only), 3% block (from the front only).
• Against a +1 level creature: 9% spell miss, 4.5% melee miss, 4.5% dodge, 4.5% parry (from the front only), 4.5% Block (from the front only).
• Against a +2 level creature: 12% spell miss, 6% melee miss, 6% dodge, 6% parry (from the front only), 6% Block (from the front only).
• Against a +3/boss level creature: 15% spell miss, 7.5% melee miss, 7.5% dodge, 7.5% parry (from the front only), 7.5% block (from the front only).
• Ranged attacks will be able to be dodged. Hunters will benefit from expertise and will have it on their gear, which will also allow hunters and Enhancement shaman to share gear more easily.

Block

• The chance to block will be handled by a separate combat roll for each attack that is not avoided. In other words, we first determine if an attack misses, or is dodged or parried. If it is not, then the attack has a chance to be blocked.
• This gives block a consistent value, regardless of avoidance. Currently block becomes more valuable the more you have.
• Block will also have diminishing returns, much like dodge and parry. This doesn’t mean that the value of block will go down as you get more block. It means that it won’t go up by as much when you get more block.
• We don’t expect Protection warriors or paladins to get “block capped” other than during temporary effects, such as mastery procs on trinkets. Block tanks will be balanced around this change. Our intent is to make playing block tanks more fun, not to nerf them.
• Also notice how Shield Block and Shield of the Righteous have changed in Mists.

Criticals

• All spells and abilities will crit for double damage, baseline. There are a few exceptions where crits can get larger, but the default is x 2.0 for everyone.
• This means that Enhancement shaman spells and rogue poisons will crit for double damage. Rogue poisons will also use the melee hit chance.

Resilience

• We are renaming this stat to “Defense (PvP)” or possibly “PvP Defense.” All players will have 30% base Defense, the same way all characters have some base Stamina.
• PvP gear will have Defense on it, as well as a new stat, “Power (PvP).” Power increases the damage you do to other players as well as the healing you do to other players in PvP situations.
• If you have a lot of Power, you’ll do more damage to other players, but they likely have Defense as well. If you fight players in lots of PvE gear, they’ll take more damage. Likewise, a player in PvE gear won’t have enough Power to effectively penetrate your Defense.
• The names PvP Power and PvP Defense may not be final, but we’re leaning towards going with stat names that are obviously PvP-related, rather than “fluffier” names that might not be as easy to grasp. We want it to be clear to players that neither Power nor Defense have any relevance when fighting creatures, such as in dungeons or raids.
• PvP gear will be lower in item level than PvE gear of an equivalent tier, however the Power and Defense stats will make sure that PvP gear is more powerful in PvP (both offensively and defensively) than PvE gear. In our budgeting system, the PvP stats will be free rather than causing other stats, such as Strength or haste, to be smaller as a result of including Power or Defense.
• The goal of this change is to make it easier for a PvP player to participate in PvE, or for a PvE player to get started in PvP. Currently, we feel it is too large a barrier to go from one to the other, and the result has been that we see more and more players choosing to focus exclusively on only PvP or PvE. In earlier expansions, it was more feasible to use PvE gear in Arenas or Battlegrounds until you acquired the more useful PvP gear. The same was true of being able to use your PvP gear in a dungeon or raid until you acquired something better. In Cataclysm, stepping into PvP with no PvP gear would result in a player being so ineffective that it was difficult to even make progress towards acquiring PvP gear.
• For the higher-end of PvP or PvE (say Gladiators or heroic raiders), we believe those players will still gravitate towards the dedicated PvP or PvE gear. It is the players who are working towards those two end games that will benefit more from some cross over.

imo the Resilience changes are so bad, very contradictory formulated.

"The goal of this change is to make it easier for a PvP player to participate in PvE, or for a PvE player to get started in PvP."

"If you have a lot of Power, you’ll do more damage to other players, but they likely have Defense as well. If you fight players in lots of PvE gear, they’ll take more damage. Likewise, a player in PvE gear won’t have enough Power to effectively penetrate your Defense."

In the end, it would be the same like now. PvE gear will be shit in PvP and PvP gear will do WAY less dmg then it does now.

[Anonie]

In the end, it would be the same like now. PvE gear will be shit in PvP and PvP gear will do WAY less dmg then it does now.

Lol... "PvP gear will be lower in item level than PvE gear of an equivalent tier" they're lowering the ilvl which may mean that someone in pvp gear with a certain ilvl will do closer to about the same dps as someone in pve gear. This is especially true when posted with "In our budgeting system, the PvP stats will be free rather than causing other stats, such as Strength or haste, to be smaller as a result of including Power or Defense" which means that resil and "power pvp " aren't penalized from the regular pve stats that gear has. This all means that the pve stats on pvp gear will be approximate the same as the pve versions, how the gear is itemized will be yet to be determined. They're probably going to make pvp gear ilvl a tier behind pve gear

Remember that most pvpers in a pvp situation do not care about their overall ilvl, just resil and ratings, ilvl/gear score has always been a pve metric. I for one welcome this change.

[Confucius]

The goal of this change is to make it easier for a PvP player to participate in PvE, or for a PvE player to get started in PvP. Currently, we feel it is too large a barrier to go from one to the other, and the result has been that we see more and more players choosing to focus exclusively on only PvP or PvE. In earlier expansions, it was more feasible to use PvE gear in Arenas or Battlegrounds until you acquired the more useful PvP gear. The same was true of being able to use your PvP gear in a dungeon or raid until you acquired something better. In Cataclysm, stepping into PvP with no PvP gear would result in a player being so ineffective that it was difficult to even make progress towards acquiring PvP gear.

Wait, so making PVE gear completely ineffective in PvP will make it easier for PvE'rs to go into PvP? I like the change for going from PvP->PvE, as this is what I normally do anyway just farming justice points, now I will only need to farm one set of gear. But the PvE->PvP makes no sense, PvE gear will be doing a fraction of the damage PvP gear does now while also not protecting you? I like it better currently were PvE gear may do some more damage, but it has no defense.

[Anonie]

LOL, you take things too literally. Currently, with 4.3k resil, you get 42% damage reduction. They already said players will have 30% base line damage reduction, which means they're probably just gonna make resil give less damage reduction, so end of MoP pvp gear will give around 15-20% damage reduction which means you'll have a total of 45-50%. Was around the same damage reduction back during end of wotlk.

I think that the goal is for two players each decked out in end of MoP top pve/pvp gear will *probably* be able to do around the same damage to a player decked out in top pvp gear. However, the pve player will take 0-20% more damage compared to the pvp player, depending on where in the expansion they are at. The reason why pvp player is able to do the same amount of damage is due to the new "power pvp" stat. Even though the pvp gear has the same ilvl and stats budget as the previous top pve teir (no idea how close to accurate this last sentence is). And I've no idea how close my guess to end game gear stat numbers will turn out to be, but the 30% was stated by the blue.