Reclaiming wow account, help needed...

**xoxoxox** · 02-12-2011

Hey guys,

I asked this question somewhere else, but thought that I would ask it here after being referred to this site.

Long story short...
Sold an account through craigslist (ad long since deleted). Guy in CA bought my account and transferred money to me through PayPal (sale happened back in Sept/Oct). As part of the agreement I told him that I would recall the account with no refund if he tried to resell it and I found out about it. Lo and behold, he did exactly that. I found my account up for sale (trust me when I say that my account is very unique). It has apparently already sold, back in the middle of November.

I am contemplating recalling the account.

I know the process as far as Blizzard goes. What can I expect to happen, if anything, from the guy I sold it to, or the party that he sold it to?

Is there plausible deniability? Can I be sued, can I be arrested? I don't believe he has my personal information. Though I did give him the SQ/A in the purchase process, I did NOT give a copy of my DL. The sale was >$500 USD. What do you guys suggest?

**Blueice22** · 02-12-2011

well to be honest if he purchased the account it is then his to sell again if he wants. If you sell a car and tell the person they can't sell the car... They will laugh at you. It does not matter if the account is unique... You gave up your account for money which he gave you... If he resold it then it is his property to do with as he pleases.

**xoxoxox** · 02-12-2011

Thank you for your reply Blueice, however it was not relevant to the questions I asked. For the sake of candor I gave the back story, but ignore the back story if it assaults your sensibilities and simply focus upon the questions that I posed in the final couple of paragraphs.

**Blueice22** · 02-12-2011

Yes you can be sued... It is called fraud and theft. You can also be prosecuted by the legal system. Since this is also someone from out of state it becomes a federal case as it is interstate. So again.... He BOUGHT the account from you. Regardless of what he does with it, if you recall it you are just being a douchebag and scamming him unless you intend to return his money to him.

**Nothingless12** · 02-13-2011

Sold about 20+ Accounts before the ending of the First WoW Expansion [Vanilla] not kidding on the number, I wanted to get rid of as much accounts before the new expansion because I didn't know if more or less people would play after that and prices could go down.

Burning Crusade hit 1 month after I sold every account I had, I waited 2-3 Weeks [Depending on the account and the chars levels on the account] and recalled every single account but one [For some reason one had been banned in that little time it was out of my possession.]

Most of them were now level 70, Some ranging from 60-70, some were even untouched [Dunno why] from the day I sold it to them according to last active login [Remember this was also when you could see your last login online, and you couldn't hide ANY of your contact information or change it for that matter unless you called in which almost no one did back then.]

Closed my paypal account before I did any recalls mind you, but never had any contact from anyone, no one sued me, nothing happened in general. Only thing I got was a shit load of scam reports on Markeedragon.com

Made a good $5000 profit + more was to be made with the recalled accounts.

Anyway no, nothing ever happens. I highly doubt anything will ever happen, if the guy lives in your area then you have something to worry about other then that though, nothing they can do. Remember that ToS strictly says its illegal to sell buy or trade any Blizzard account, So they can't take it to court in reality unless they put it as something else which would be lying and there case would crumble.

I might get some flames for this post but I hardly use this site anyway.

**Blueice22** · 02-13-2011

If the person does not pursue it then yes nothing will happen. But if I bought an account and someone recalled the account after I purchased it... You can bet they would be getting their ass sued off for the price I paid plus attorney fees.

**pauk** · 02-13-2011

If he added it to his TOS that it will be recalled if resold than he got a case
but anyways the money will probs be recalled aswell

**Nothingless12** · 02-13-2011

Blueice is blowing puffs of smoke out of his ass.

You cannot sue someone for something you do not own in the first place.
Blizzard owns your account, When you sell a WoW Account the ONLY thing you CAN sell it for is the Time used in creating what the account has.

Look up Blizzards ToS, You do NOT Own the account, You cannot Buy / Sell / or Trade a account.

Has never been a court case where someone has sue someone over a account because its not recognized, You would need a signed document from the court transfering ownership like a Car or House.

So keep QQing to people who want to scare this guy, Nothing will or can happen.

At the most he will try and get your account banned.

**xoxoxox** · 02-13-2011

Yea, I see what you are saying Nothingless12.

The more I actually find out and research, legally there is nothing that could be done as there is no law regulating the sale/resale of virtual property. There has never been a case where virtual property has been decided upon by a judge.

As to your original point Blueice, sale contracts are binding, whether verbal or written, with all stipulations. There is a lot of case law based upon people being limited to resale of an article if the original contract states that resale is forbidden. If the buyer stipulates that it will not be resold as part and parcel of acquiring the "property" then it cannot legally be resold and is subject to seizure by the original party making the sale.

However, since this is not actual property, but rather virtual property, there is no binding sale either way, and the idea of caveat emptor comes into play.

**bengan14** · 02-14-2011

Nothingless12 knows for sure what he is talking about as he is scamming people on this forum.

http://www.mmowned.com/forums/mmowne...ce-please.html

But he is wrong with one thing, you can sue someone for selling something that he does not own, it is not the buyer that is doing something wrong it is the seller, so the first thing there is that the seller is scamming the buyer already in the first place no matter if the seller reclaims the account or not, as he is selling something he has no right to sell. so as long as the buyer has an MSN log and transaction information he can sue the seller.

The problem is to find the seller, you need the sellers IP to get his contact information, and the police wont do nothing to get it from MSN. the only place to get for example "Nothingless12" IP would be to ask MMowned.com about it, then you can get the information from Nothingless12 ISP then you can sue him or report him to the police as scamming people is a felony that even could get him to jail.

**Nothingless12** · 02-14-2011

Not really.

Buying, Selling, or Trading of a WoW Account is illegal. So even if you didn't know that you are breaking the law itself.

For example, You buy a bag of weed from someone claiming for it to me legal. You get mad because the weed wasn't good so you report to police someone sold you crappy weed and they claimed it was legal. You would get in trouble just as much because it is your job to know your Local laws, You bought the weed knowing what it contained.

Same with if you buy a illegal car and the seller runs off, You will be the one who gets in trouble if the police find out its a Illegal car.