Want to Build...

[Dori]

a new Computer.
Well, since my laptop right now DOES suck (15 FPS all the time, droping down to 5FPS in Instance/Raid) i cant play WoW properly. I would like to know if the price i would be paying for it is fair, and if i could improve the Computer in any aspect or go for some other part instead of the ones you see below.
I want to play on MAX Details during raids(25 Men) on a High Resolution, and would like to know on about how much FPS i would be while doing so.

I am thinking about letting someone build me a new Computer.
Ive looked over some stuff so far and i got to an desicion and i would Build one with those Speccs:
Crosair 750TX, 750 Watt
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 / 3,00 GhZ, 6 MB Cach, Dual Core(Prozessor)
Zalman CNPS-9500AT, Chopper, Heatpipes(Cooling)
Asus P5QC (Mainboard)
8GB Samsung DDR2-Ram (4x2 GB), 800MhZ, CL6(RAM)
Sapphire Radeon HD3870 X2, 1GB(Graphics)
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic 64bit version

Its also including the Tower,Drivers...

The price i would be paying for it is ~1400€

Note that i live in austria and i have no clue where else to configure a computer but here (Used this company, DiTech Computer)

Hope you guys can help me there.

Greets

[Verye]

I could definitely help, but I live in America, so I really couldn't help you with prices at all.

First off, do NOT get the 3870 or 3850 or 3870x2. ATI has basically abandoned that line, and are focusing all of their attention (both with support and drivers) into the 4xxx series, as in the 4850 and 4870.

So, if you really want a nice card, get the 4870x2. If you can't afford it, just get one 4870x2. Whatever you do though, do not get their 3xxx series.

Also, I recommend the Zalman 9700 over the 9500, it's better. I actually have the 9700, and it's a great fan.

Why are you getting 8 GB of RAM? No game will ever use more than 4 GB of DDR2. 8 GB will only help you if you plan on doing some serious video creation. If it's just for gaming (whether it's WoW, or Call of Duty, or Crysis, or any other game), then get 4 GB.

And finally, I recommend you get some good thermal grease. I'd highly recommend the Arctic Cooling MX-2, it's great.

[Dori]

So, im Reducing the RAM to 4DDR2, do i still have to use buy the 64bit Vista? Since ive heared that the 32bit one only uses up to Max. 3gb DDR2?

Changed the Graphics Card to Sapphire Radeon HD4870 x2, 2GB

Also the Zalman 9700.

Sadly they dont seem to offer the Arctic Cooling MX-2 on the web system builder :S

Greets

[Verye]

A. You definitely still need 64-bit Vista. I have 4 GB of RAM and Vista Home Premium 64-bit, and it's great. Anyway, 32-bit operating systems can only use 4 GB of memory total, including RAM, virtual memory, video memory, etc. Thus, if you ever plan on using more than 3 GB of RAM, like you are, you really need 64-bit.

B. Good choice on the video card and CPU fan/heatsink.

C. That's okay; it's not the only thermal compound in the world. Try and look for Arctic Silver 5.

[Dori]

Alright, thanks a lot.

Btw. do you know how much FPS i would have in a 25Raid on highest settings?

[Wilkey]

I'm not sure cause I don't use PCs, but I would have to say with the computer your describing your FPS would be pretty good for a 25 man raid.

[freakyflow]

I have a 3850 and I get max fps ALL the time (about 70).

Remember wow is not that graphics intensive, so if you can run cysis2 your way over geared for wow.


Do what verye says 4gb ram and 64 bit vista, but don't agree on vid cards ATI is more cost effective.

Also spent a bit more and get a good case with a lot of fans, I have the antec nine hundred gamer case and it rocks

You can also get faster ram, if not on budget get 1333 ram or even 1066 over your 800'mhzs
Also Id recommend gskillz or mushkin over samsung ram.

[Dori]

I have a 3850 and I get max fps ALL the time (about 70).

Remember wow is not that graphics intensive, so if you can run cysis2 your way over geared for wow.


Do what verye says 4gb ram and 64 bit vista, but don't agree on vid cards ATI is more cost effective.

Also spent a bit more and get a good case with a lot of fans, I have the antec nine hundred gamer case and it rocks

You can also get faster ram, if not on budget get 1333 ram or even 1066 over your 800'mhzs
Also Id recommend gskillz or mushkin over samsung ram.

Thanks a lot!!

But what do you mean with case mate? I dont really get it. :S

I'll check out if they have got the RAMs youve posted.


Greets

Edit: Checked out on they'r RAM but they dont offer nothing else but Samsung and Corsair.

Should i take 4GB Corsair DHX DDR3-RAM , 1333MHz, CL9 or 4 GB Corsair DHX DDR3-RAM (2 x 2GB), 1600MHz, CL7??

[Verye]

I have a 3850 and I get max fps ALL the time (about 70).

Remember wow is not that graphics intensive, so if you can run cysis2 your way over geared for wow.


Do what verye says 4gb ram and 64 bit vista, but don't agree on vid cards ATI is more cost effective.

Also spent a bit more and get a good case with a lot of fans, I have the antec nine hundred gamer case and it rocks

You can also get faster ram, if not on budget get 1333 ram or even 1066 over your 800'mhzs
Also Id recommend gskillz or mushkin over samsung ram.

Hmmm? ATI is more cost effective, which is why I recommended an ATI card to him. I just recommended an ATI Radeon 4850/4870 over a 3850/3870.

ATI has specifically stated that they will be focusing their further driver support, including their huge driver update they're releasing in a week or so, on the 4xxx series, not the 3xxx series. The 4xxx series is better overall.

I'm just recommending that he get a 4870 (or, in this case, 4870x2) over a 3870 (or 3870x2).

I have G.Skill RAM and it's great. However, I recommend you just get the best cheapest RAM you can find. Be sure to pay attention to the timings...they typically don't give much of a noticable performance increase, but if it's a choice between, say, a 4-4-4-12 timed A brand RAM for $50, and a 5-5-5-5-12 B brand RAM for $50, go with A brand, unless there are really bad reviews for it or something.

[freakyflow]

oh sry verye dude I read wrong thought you meant the nvidea gtx's me bad.

dd3 is overpriced get ddr2 corsair's.

here a link to the case, dont overlook your case man its important to have your comp nice and cool, its actually pretty cheap, besides the flash its got 3 reg fans and 1 monster top fan with room for more + usb ports and a tray on top front, you can also see inside so you know when to clean it so its doesn't get 12 pounds of dust inside.

Antec - Nine Hundred

[asbest0s]

I hate vista 64 bit and I would not reccomend it to you, performance-wise go for 32bit XP, and 4xxx graphics cards, choose a mid tower, preferably antec because of their awesome way of keeping your case cool. As for the thermal compound, Coolaboratory Liquid Pro, however if you cant apply thermal compounds onto the processors (believe me this one is tricky to apply) then go for zalman. The heatsink you have chosen is ok however you can get Scythe Ninja +(Or whatever the enwest one is) which will deliver even more cooling power. Also consider getting some ram heatsinks, they are not that useful but the do look cool lol

[Dori]

I hate vista 64 bit and I would not reccomend it to you, performance-wise go for 32bit XP, and 4xxx graphics cards, choose a mid tower, preferably antec because of their awesome way of keeping your case cool. As for the thermal compound, Coolaboratory Liquid Pro, however if you cant apply thermal compounds onto the processors (believe me this one is tricky to apply) then go for zalman. The heatsink you have chosen is ok however you can get Scythe Ninja +(Or whatever the enwest one is) which will deliver even more cooling power. Also consider getting some ram heatsinks, they are not that useful but the do look cool lol

I would like to play on MAX Setting, on the Highes Resolution avaliable so i think 3GB Ram wont be enough to have about ~80 FPS in 25 Man raids, and then the other GB Ram will be useless since the Vista 32bit dont use the other gigRam, or did i get this wrong?

And as it seems they dont Offer "Collaboratory Liquid Pro" , they only offer Thermalright,Coolermaster,Zalman,Scythe Mugen,and Thermal Take.

[asbest0s]

lol why wouldnt it be enough? capacity of ram doesnt do a difference at this stage, get 3 gig highspeed and you will get higher fps then 8gig normal speed. Also I dont see why you would want 80 fps anyway,

I know its really counterintuitive but higher fps =/= longer pen**

And if they dont offer a good thermal paste then change the shop, its not as if there's only 1 computer shop where u are from

[Dori]

Well, actually it is possible that there is only one good shop in vienna, since the rest of the shops are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced.
Since i checked all the shops already :S

Well, i didnt know that what you meant was a paste I'll check it out in a sec. (im not that good when it comes to computers , so you know )

Yup, they got the paste !
Can't i just tell them to apply it to the CPU once i buy it?

[Verye]

WoW really does not need very good specs to play on all high with 25 other people with high FPS.

WoW is not graphically intensive at all. Honestly, you will probably get around the same performance using 3 GB as you would 4 GB in WoW, but 4 GB of RAM is recommended because it increases application speed in general and can be helpful for more graphically intensive games, and with so many more coming out these days.

First off, as Maciek, do not get DDR3 unless you absolutely must get it, in the case of Core i7's (if you don't know what a Core i7 is then just forget I said anything).

2nd, ignore what Maciek said regarding XP and Vista 64-bit. Do not listen to him. If you want a high performance and good (yet high spec-required) operating system, get Vista 64-bit. XP 64-bit does not have good driver support. Vista 64-bit has much better driver support. 64-bit is overall better than 32-bit, mainly because it can use more than 4 GB of memory. Vista gets as good performance as XP with current drivers and its current service pack. Here are a list of some of the problems with XP 64-bit:

There are some common issues that arise with Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.

* Driver compatibility; Only 64-bit kernel mode drivers are supported. This means that devices for which there are no 64-bit Windows XP drivers available cannot be used. This includes a lot of common hardware.
* Any 32-bit Windows Explorer extension fails to work with 64-bit Windows Explorer. Explorer is a 64-bit program, so it cannot load a 32-bit DLL. However, Windows XP x64 Edition also ships with the 32-bit explorer.exe, which can be used as the user's default shell with a registry change.
* Any 16-bit programs will not run (32-bit software with 16-bit installers based on ACME Setup versions 2.6, 3.0, 3.01, and 3.1 and InstallShield versions 5.x will run correctly)
* Command prompts will not load in full-screen. This is also true of Windows Vista in both 32 and 64 bit editions.
* Some (typically older) programs have 16-bit installers that will not install on the x64 Edition
* No native support for Type 1 fonts.[citation needed]
* ID3 tag information from music files are not viewable in Windows Explorer.[citation needed]
* Does not contain a Web Extender Client component for Web Folders (WebDAV).
* The Windows Live installer executable cannot be run, so one needs to find separate .msi installation files for each component (such as Windows Live Messenger, Windows Live Mail,...)

Therefore, you have absolutely no reason not to get Vista 64-bit. I'd highly recommend Vista 64-bit Home Premium, which is what I have. It's great.

If you really, truly insist on not getting Vista, then at least get XP 64-bit.

Finally, I do not know if that service will apply the thermal paste for you. From what I can gather, they will build a computer for you (which I wouldn't recommend, since it is more expensive, but whatever). If so, and if you select a 3rd-party thermal paste and fan/heatsink, then they will obviously apply that 3rd-party paste to the CPU and screw in the fan/heatsink for you, unless they're really dumb or incompetent or something.