[Holy Paladins] Denounce Stacking

[Hazzbazzy]

Hi all,

I'm not 100% sure if this is working mechanically as intended, but if a Paladin denounces another Holy Paladin (with the 2-set PvP Bonus), after the first Holy Paladin has denounced another player you will gain their bonus crit.

For example,
Paladin A has 10% Crit
Feral A has 30% Crit
Paladin B has 15% Crit

1. Paladin A Denounces Feral A for 30% Crit.
2. Paladin B then Denounces Paladin A for their 10%, in addition to the denounce effect of Feral A for 30% Crit, resulting in a total of 40% added Crit.
3. Paladin B now has a total of 55% Crit

Thanks all,

[Hazzbazzy]

Anyone fancy trying this with multiple holy paladins to get 1000% crit? ^^

[MomoGunz]

Crit becomes useless after 100%, but nice find

[xDamnationx]

I figured this is how it should work. You're stealing the other players crit, be it temporary or not, no?

[Hazzbazzy]

I figured this is how it should work. You're stealing the other players crit, be it temporary or not, no?

You're effectively stealing stolen crit :P

[advanta]

Anyone fancy trying this with multiple holy paladins to get 1000% crit? ^^

Do you need multiple paladins? How I envisage this:

Paladin A denounces Paladin B.

Paladin A now has his crit chance + paladin B's crit chance.

Paladin A drinks crit potion and/or activates crit trinket or whatever.

Paladin B now denounces Paladin A.

Paladin B now has (deep breath) his own crit chance+ Paladin A's crit chance + crit from potion/trinket.

Repeat until max crit.


The problem seems to be that crit's usefulness maxes out at 100%. Unless there is a trinket somewhere
where crit chance is converted into damage in some way.

Really out of the box thinking: could the effect be reversed using a warrior's spell reflect? So, say pala casts
denounce on warlock who has just benefitted from a warrior's spell reflect. Spell is reversed and Warlock gains pala's crit.
If the stacking palas built up their crit >10000 or something beforehand then a single chaos bolt could demolish any raid boss in the game....for
8 seconds, so not much time.

[Hazzbazzy]

Do you need multiple paladins? How I envisage this:

Paladin A denounces Paladin B.

Paladin A now has his crit chance + paladin B's crit chance.

Paladin A drinks crit potion and/or activates crit trinket or whatever.

Paladin B now denounces Paladin A.

Paladin B now has (deep breath) his own crit chance+ Paladin A's crit chance + crit from potion/trinket.

Repeat until max crit.


The problem seems to be that crit's usefulness maxes out at 100%. Unless there is a trinket somewhere
where crit chance is converted into damage in some way.

Really out of the box thinking: could the effect be reversed using a warrior's spell reflect? So, say pala casts
denounce on warlock who has just benefitted from a warrior's spell reflect. Spell is reversed and Warlock gains pala's crit.
If the stacking palas built up their crit >10000 or something beforehand then a single chaos bolt could demolish any raid boss in the game....for
8 seconds, so not much time.

To get 1000% crit you wouldn't need much, I got 63% bonus crit from denouncing a holy who had denounced a feral; the next holy to denounce me would get my crit (say 20%) in addition to the 63%. So, I guess you could do it with 3 paladins and cycle it:

Paladin 1 denounces Feral
Chain:
Paladin 2 denounces Paladin 1
Paladin 3 denounces Paladin 2
Paladin 1 denounces Paladin 3
Repeat from "Chain"

Alternatively, if that didn't work just get about 20 Paladins and go Feral -> Pala -> Pala -> Pala -> ...
The reason I say use a Non Pala and more than 2 Paladins is because I'm not sure Paladins can just denounce each other for their own crit, if they can however, that's a major oversight and gamebreaking frankly.

The Bonus Crit gain is from the current 2 Set Bonus for Holy Paladins AFTER casting Denounce, so I don't think Spell Reflect would work etc. Not sure if It's a magic effect as I'm away from a PC for a week, but Mage could possibly spellsteal.

[advanta]

To get 1000% crit you wouldn't need much, I got 63% bonus crit from denouncing a holy who had denounced a feral; the next holy to denounce me would get my crit (say 20%) in addition to the 63%. So, I guess you could do it with 3 paladins and cycle it:

Paladin 1 denounces Feral
Chain:
Paladin 2 denounces Paladin 1
Paladin 3 denounces Paladin 2
Paladin 1 denounces Paladin 3
Repeat from "Chain"

Alternatively, if that didn't work just get about 20 Paladins and go Feral -> Pala -> Pala -> Pala -> ...
The reason I say use a Non Pala and more than 2 Paladins is because I'm not sure Paladins can just denounce each other for their own crit, if they can however, that's a major oversight and gamebreaking frankly.

The Bonus Crit gain is from the current 2 Set Bonus for Holy Paladins AFTER casting Denounce, so I don't think Spell Reflect would work etc. Not sure if It's a magic effect as I'm away from a PC for a week, but Mage could possibly spellsteal.

Good post. I have no pala so I appreciate you sharing this stuff.

I was thinking of spellsteal, but it would only be marginally more useful to a mage than a pala. As fire you'd get lots of pyros, but you couldn't down a raid boss the way a warlock could. This assumes the bonus can be stolen. And of course you only get 8 secs, which isn't even enough for me personally to get through a loading screen.

Still, there's definitely gamebreaking potential here-but we might have to wait for a future patch to fully exploit it.

[Hazzbazzy]

It appears the bonus is a Physical School effect so I would guess it's not spellsteal-able:
Item - Paladin WoD PvP Holy 2P Bonus - Spell - World of Warcraft

I'm not aware of any *current* way to steal a physical buff either.

[xDamnationx]

You're effectively stealing stolen crit :P

Well it's as if the paladin had a trinket proc to give him 10% crit. It would be safe to assume that if you denounced a paladin with a trinket proc, you'd get the crit at the time of the trinket proc. Otherwise him being denounced would still be able to crit, it wouldn't make any sense.

[Hazzbazzy]

Well it's as if the paladin had a trinket proc to give him 10% crit. It would be safe to assume that if you denounced a paladin with a trinket proc, you'd get the crit at the time of the trinket proc. Otherwise him being denounced would still be able to crit, it wouldn't make any sense.

I think you're misunderstanding, the 2 set bonus for Paladins in the current season gives them 100% of the enemy players crit as added crit; if another paladin then denounces them they gain the TOTAL crit + their own crit. For instance:

See below:

To get 1000% crit you wouldn't need much, I got 63% bonus crit from denouncing a holy who had denounced a feral; the next holy to denounce me would get my crit (say 20%) in addition to the 63%. So, I guess you could do it with 3 paladins and cycle it:

Paladin 1 denounces Feral
Chain:
Paladin 2 denounces Paladin 1
Paladin 3 denounces Paladin 2
Paladin 1 denounces Paladin 3
Repeat from "Chain"

Alternatively, if that didn't work just get about 20 Paladins and go Feral -> Pala -> Pala -> Pala -> ...
The reason I say use a Non Pala and more than 2 Paladins is because I'm not sure Paladins can just denounce each other for their own crit, if they can however, that's a major oversight and gamebreaking frankly.

The Bonus Crit gain is from the current 2 Set Bonus for Holy Paladins AFTER casting Denounce, so I don't think Spell Reflect would work etc. Not sure if It's a magic effect as I'm away from a PC for a week, but Mage could possibly spellsteal.

TLDR: Potions and Trinket Procs can be stolen with denounce, but that isn't anything to do with this exploit.

[crunk001]

Since when does denounce stack crit?

Denounce reduces crit-chance on the target cast to zero as long the debuff lasts.

Hmm?

[advanta]

Since when does denounce stack crit?

Denounce reduces crit-chance on the target cast to zero as long the debuff lasts.

Hmm?

He's talking about a set bonus which adds the stolen denounce crit to your own.

[Hazzbazzy]

Since when does denounce stack crit?

Denounce reduces crit-chance on the target cast to zero as long the debuff lasts.

Hmm?

The PvP 2 Set for Paladins does. I did mention that briefly in the original post and replies.

[crunk001]

He's talking about a set bonus which adds the stolen denounce crit to your own.

Oh wow, I didnt read the set bonus yet. Keep it low on this one, because this can get fixed very fast. Never said anything, never red anything here.

Rep to you OP