100% Crit Nether Tempest

[Kenneth]

So, Cartoonz released this video : Nether Tempest 100% Critical Strike Bug by Cartoonz - YouTube

It basically shows how if you nova someone and nether tempest them it will critical hit every time even when the nova breaks. Basically in one nether tempest with DPS cooldowns your doing about 130-150k and by the time its done another nova is up anyway. Very exploitable.

[pit1]

pretty game breaking for arena I already hated mages this is just adding to the list.

[vicareaking]

This is very powerful damage idd because NT uses a snapshot instead of being dynamically affected. This also means if you cast nether tempest, then apply a freeze effect, your nether tempest won't benefit from shatter. This has been the case though since mop pre-patch. Also the off-target will only get 100% critical while it too is frozen.

In pvp though, your ticks (for me with elite weapon and 492 pvp ilvl) are hitting 3k main target on 68% resil, so a 6k crit isnt really game-breaking :P

Here is a thread from mmo-champ a few weeks ago:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...487&viewfull=1

[Pyrogenic]

This is intended. NT is a snapshot spell rather than a dynamic spell.

[swekidx]

It's intended, that's how it works, people have known about this for ages..
Don't give his crappy Youtube channel publicity.

[ev0]

It's intended, that's how it works, people have known about this for ages..
Don't give his crappy Youtube channel publicity.

It's relative to the exploit.



thanks for your contribution OP, it maybe intended, however it was most likely and oversight by blizzard. +rep for bringing it here and new news to me.

EDIT: Also, thanks for following the guidelines in place when linking to a video. I'm noticing people lately not abiding by it. Good job

[Shameless]

It is indeeed intended, but good addition to the community! +1!

[swekidx]

It's relative to the exploit.

Sorry, but how is his youtube channel relative to this "exploit"?
It's intended, and as I said, people have known about it for ages, not like Cartoonz came up with it.

[AraiXplorer]

Intended. Dots modifier are set when you cast the spell and never changed after.
If you have a haste proc and cast a DoT, the haste modifier will stay on the DoT even if your proc run out during the effect.
In this case, NT has a 100% crit modifier set, so every tick has the modifier wether or not the target is still frozen. If you refresh your NT it won't have the crit modifier anymore. The same thing applies to Combustion, that's why it's recommended to cast it under BL or haste / crit procs.
The same thing applies to pets, they are summoned with your current stats, that's why DKs burn cooldowns before summoning their ghoul, f.x.

Also, bad use of this combo. Frost bomb + nova hits way harder.

[smidti]

It's not intended.
The 100% crit modifier belongs to the nova effect itself. This means the 100% crit modifier should usually lasts as long as the nova effect is active.
You can't compare buffs which are active on yourself with debuffs/buffs which are active on your target...
The DoT's in general are scaling with the buffs you had at the time when you were casting the DoT's, but it also scales with the buffs/debuffs on your target which could change...
E.g....you put your DoT's or NT on a target which is affected by "Curse of the Elements" of a warlock...as we see the DoT's scale with the debuff and do +5% dmg...now the debuff is about to expire and finally is...you can see that your DoT's are now doing 5% less dmg.

Instead of NT just put every other kind of DoT's into the next example...
Put up DoT's on a target which got frostnova'ed...now you will see that the DoT's don't have a 100% crit chance if the nova is expired.

That's why it is not intended and will be fixed soon.

[Morgusified]

Ever wondered why he posted it on the day he did? It was his april fools.

[Pyrogenic]

It IS intended you moron. It's already been explained that NT works as a snapshot spell, much like a Death Knights ghoul does. It takes your current stats ( crit/mastery/haste) and uses them for the whole spell.

Have you not seen any videos where moonkins/spriest with the new trinket from Lei Shen just dot everything they can for the 4 seconds of the proc with 100% crit?

[AraiXplorer]

It IS intended you moron. It's already been explained that NT works as a snapshot spell, much like a Death Knights ghoul does. It takes your current stats ( crit/mastery/haste) and uses them for the whole spell.

Have you not seen any videos where moonkins/spriest with the new trinket from Lei Shen just dot everything they can for the 4 seconds of the proc with 100% crit?

This. /thread

[empty_skillz]

So, Cartoonz released this video : Nether Tempest 100% Critical Strike Bug by Cartoonz - YouTube

It basically shows how if you nova someone and nether tempest them it will critical hit every time even when the nova breaks. Basically in one nether tempest with DPS cooldowns your doing about 130-150k and by the time its done another nova is up anyway. Very exploitable.

this is intended as its applied into a frost nova with the passive shatter that increases crit. its the same as applying anything with all cds and they still tick for the proc trinket amount even after those have gone off.

whats not intended is that NT scales with mastery, so edit your post for free real rep..

[beatnological]

In pvp though, your ticks (for me with elite weapon and 492 pvp ilvl) are hitting 3k main target on 68% resil, so a 6k crit isnt really game-breaking :P

DoTs Snapshot and Crit

For frost crits are not x2 on frozen targets, they are way more due mastery. So that 6k crit would more likely be at least 8.5k due mastery.

Tho, I find it funny that there are people who had no idea about this. NT is just like any other spell dot , its STATIC, it does not update dynamically, that alone is sole reason why affliction locks suck in PvP and own big time in PvE.