[Custom Expansion] What spells? What talents?

[Iaccidentallytwink]

I'm not going to go into any detail because this is just a personal project I'm working on for my server, but I may release it. It's an expansion based on Magi (the Mage class). It's going to run on 2.4.3 and be based around level 60, for stability and nostalgia reasons. At the moment, I'm making talent trees for Techno Mages and Battle Mages. TM's will have Engineering type spells (such as, for their 31 pointer in the "Technology" tree, they will have the Gnomish Mind Control Helm ability as a standalone), and Battle Mages will have Warrior type ablities along with Rogue type abilities (such as, for their 31 pointer in the "Combat" tree, they will have the rogue ability "Cheat Death").

Now, this thread isn't for me to show off or say "LUL IM SO KEWL I CAN PRETEND I'M MAKING AN EXPANSION AND NEVER SHOW ANY RESULT". The main changes I will be doing will be:
- Disabling 2.0+ content, including races. Completed.
- Replace the Paladin class with the Techno Mage (Alliance only).
- Replace the Shaman class with the Battle Mage (Horde only).
- Brainstorm other Mage classes I may consider adding (not necessarily the mage class itself, but casters in general.)
- Modify Orgrimmar into a Battle Mage city.
- Modify Ironforge into a Techno Mage city.
- Create Techno Mage and Battle Mage talents and abilities.
- Model edits.
- Implement a "King of the Hill" Hyjal Battleground (last thing on the list for a reason.)

What I need help with is the following: Brainstorming.

I'm looking to start this off as a PvP only server. I'm striving for PvP balance. This may spin off into not being based on mages in the end, at all, but for the moment, I need ideas. Specifically, spells and talents.

What I ask of you is, go to http://www.war-tools.com/, and make a talent tree using existing talents from any class, as long as it fits the theme, existed in 2.4.3 and seems balanced. I have a prototype of the "FrostFire" tree for Battle Mages (Fire/Frost merged to make room for a "Combat" tree and possibly Arcane or non-elemental magic.), and the other ones are in progress.

In addition to this, if you wish, please make a list of applicable talents and abilities that may be applicable to the 2 new mage classes. Make sure they existed in 2.4.3.

The version number of the client will be renamed to 2.5, to prevent any confusion resulting from naming conflicts. The patch likely won't be large in size either, as I plan to currently only use existing spells, though I highly doubt I will stick to this in the end (I'll likely end up making new spells). Expect no larger than 100 MB.

Current trees in progress:
War Tools :: Talent tree BattleMage rev.01 - Battle Mage.

Thanks for your help in advance. If any of your ideas are used you will recieve either an account for testing purposes or a copy of the release early, depending on what I decide to do with the end result.

Feel free to post ANY type of feedback or ideas as well.

[Vindicated]

The ironic thing is you want us to give us our good ideas (that could be used to make a sever), and yet you keep your "expansion" to your own server.

[Iaccidentallytwink]

The ironic thing is you want us to give us our good ideas (that could be used to make a sever), and yet you keep your "expansion" to your own server.

Most of what I'm asking pertains to expanding on my own idea.

[Mr. Clean]

Tell us how you plan on making a custom class and talent trees.

[Iaccidentallytwink]

Tell us how you plan on making a custom class and talent trees.

I can modify an existing classes spells, abilities, etc.
As for talent trees, I'm not even going to elaborate on that, you obviously should have searched. (Hint: DBC'S R HARD)

[mag1212]

why would u make 2 new mage classes?

[Iaccidentallytwink]

why would u make 2 new mage classes?

It's going to be loosely based on their former classes. Technomages will have abilities similar to pallies, battle mages will have more Shaman type abilities. Just because they have the name "mage" in them doesn't mean they're going to be complete duplicates of the spellcasting mage class.