Recent downtime

[Lazeka]

[If a Moderator could please delete this post that'd be great. Bloody lag...]

[Lazeka]

Ultimately, it's not going to matter if you remove the scamming section or if you keep it. If people don't discuss it here they'll discuss it elsewhere. Scamming is present in all multiplayer games - or at least, I know not of one that doesn't have scamming in it to some degree or another.

People will complain even when they're nothing to complain about. Doesn't matter where.

[HeRog]

As I understand it from Black Lotus, all of the upstream providers were contacted by Steve and he made all kinds of complaints to them. They have all found them to be non valid complaints. He has apparently sent a lot of emails to a lot of people. lol

Now I am working with the new host to clear up the speed issues and to try to get us back up and running with some consistency.

[Apoc]

As I said in my earlier post; Steve Burn has nothing better to do than be the self-proclaimed interweb police. It's fairly obvious that he hasn't been making much headway into his new business, since he obviously has more than enough free time to police perfectly legal, and sane websites.

It's no surprise that all of our upstream hosts (including Black Lotus) denied his complaints, and takedown notices. His allegations have no merit.

[evilgenus83]

I donated during the up and down time, I searched the forums but can't find out how my status is changed. Is there a possibility that my donation did not show up somehow. I am still listed as a leecher, I have searched for a solution but have been unsuccessful. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Thanks for any help.

[idusy]

Scammers are some of the most valuable people in society, while obviously not on purpose. They teach dumbass people not to trust everyone and everything, and rightfully so. In the long run, losing a few hundred gold and realizing "omg people are cocks i not gona trust em" is far better then getting ****ed on something important later in life.

And the scams section itself seriously can help people learn not to get scammed, as it claims. Glancing around in there every few days or so is a grand idea for the gullible.

[BonutDot]

The bottom line is that even if you hate scamming, think it's despicable and terrible, and want scammers to all die painfully, teaching of ANYTHING is rarely illegal. Go do a search for how to kill people, or how to make pipe bombs, or how to have sex with animals. Those are all definitely illegal (and far worse than "lol he stoel mah intarweb goldz!"), and yet there are countless sites where you can find all of this information.

Do you know why that is?

Part of the reason is that some sites are hosted in other countries besides the USA, and have different laws (or just don't care if someone from the US complains).

Another reason is that by and large, the US constitution guarantees the freedom of speech. Now there are some exceptions to freedom of speech (no yelling FIRE in a crowded theater), but they are usually under one of five categories: defamation, inciting panic, inciting crime, "fighting words", sedition, and obscenity.

So, obviously the scamming section on mmowned must fall under the section about inciting crime, right? Wrong. For speech to be considered unconstitutional (and therefore illegal), it must first pass the The Brandenburg test:

Merely teaching or advocating unpopular ideas must be distinguished from teaching or advocating the duty, necessity, or propriety of acting on those beliefs. The right to speak and organize cannot be abridged no matter if the group's message and purpose are repugnant to American values (such as KKK speech). In order for government to intervene, the speaker must subjectively intend incitement (imminent evil), use words which are likely to produce action (imminent action), and openly encourage or urge incitement (suggesting, for example, it's a duty to commit a crime).

As mmowned does not actively state that its members are encouraged to lie, steal, scam and phish, it does not pass the brandenburg test, and therefore, is not illegal.

So then if Mr. Steven Burn is not trying to enforce the constitution, as a noble justice-seeking crusader, and is just trying to silence and remove those who do not agree with his point of view, do you know what that makes him? A fascist.

Go to hell Steven Burn. You are a fascist.

[vanglor]

thank god ur back..i was lost without mmowned..love u guys to death..

[TinusNED]

I thought is it just me or is it really down

[MaiN]

We're MMOwned. We won't die that easily.

!!

I'm just glad MMOwned is up again!

[Achi3]

I'm guessing this Steve Burn guy got scammed, why else would he bother about taking down a site that provides virtual goods scamming guides? By the way, I've just read the description on mywot.com:

WOT is a free Internet security addon for your browser. It will keep you safe from online scams, identity theft, spyware, spam, viruses and unreliable shopping sites. WOT warns you before you interact with a risky website. It's easy and it's free.

Mmowned is not a scam, won't steal your identity, doesn't distribute spyware or viruses, doesn't spam your mailbox, and is not a shopping site. So why the **** does he care about mmowned?

A website like mywot.com is only useful for those gullible retards who cannot make a difference between a "safe" site and a site containing all sorts of spyware (ex: "SHOULD I VISIT THIS SITE? IT'S OFFERING ME A FREE CAR IF I DOWNLOAD THIS PROGRAM!" "OH! MYWOT SHOWS ME A RED SIGN NEXT TO THE URL, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T VISIT IT AFTER ALL LOLLL" - yes those retards think in caps).

While the content of mmowned might be borderline (again, who defines the border?), it's in no way a reason for mywot to tag it as a scamming/phising/spyware/whatever site. I thought their purpose was to prevent users from getting naughty stuff on their computers, or from getting scammed. They go way over their scope by rating the content of this website - which is far from illegal (I see no questionable porn, warez or viruses in here).

They should at least make new rating categories based on the content, if they want to nerd rage on a website they don't like (ex: "This website is safe, but the content itself made me cry.").

[wow4Supplier]

Glad we're up again.
I would give that burn noob a triple facepalm,because,yes,he is a n00b.
Some people just can't understand MMOwned is not a scamming/full of viruses/crap site.
Ahh...

[ßetray]

Glad to see we're back up and I have a place to post my gamecards again Sadly 2 of em got used by yours truly due to the small IRC community and no where else to post.

On the other hand, I'm QUITE happy about the upgraded servers and will gladly help where I can in forum bug/glitches.

[Vixxi]

Put a warning on the forums/scam section problem solved. They can't do anything if they agree that mmowned takes no responsibility.

It's not going to stop people who use that section regularly anyway

[thpthpthp]

Just read the "conversation" Between DS and teh tough guyz, Gave me a good laugh, Surely they'll survive their extreme failure.
Oh and if you want to put a face on teh 1337 Stevahn Burnz, Check out http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pro...1-9DFDDDBFE7B6

Anyone els think his face looks sorta like a Vampire? Thats right Stevahn rag on "evil" websites to take blame away from you and your Blood sucking nature!! Some day Stevahn, BOOM stake through the heart!