MMOwned Meeting Log & Write Up

[Apoc]

Was a pretty awesome meeting this time around, lots of very useful feedback, and quite a few cool new ideas.

Here's the log of the entire meeting (edited to remove join/part messages, and some other dribble)

20:00 • Apoc set mode [+m]
20:00 @Apoc • QUIET!
20:00 @Ket_ • Shhush
20:00 @Ket_ • Ok thanks everyone for coming to the meeting
20:01 @Apoc › nods
20:01 @Ket_ • theorectically we should be updating the site to v2 in the next week and wanted to get some feedback on some of the new features coming up
20:02 @Apoc • Aye
20:02 @Apoc • If any of you happen to live under a rock, you can go to http://www.fpsowned.com to see the new setup, and a majority of the new features.
20:02 @Ket_ • The big new feature is the cash/gold system Apoc has installed, basically it will replace the level system we have now
20:02 @Ket_ • Apoc if you want to talk about it more
20:03 @Apoc • In all honesty, the level system we have now is nothing like the new gold system. :)
20:03 @Apoc • You'll be able to buy/sell/trade gold for 'stuff'
20:03 @Apoc • Current items include username colors, effects. Custom titles (and title colors/effects)
20:03 @Apoc • Username changes
20:03 @Apoc • And a few other things (like giving a 'gift' to another user)
20:04 @Apoc • At the moment, it has the most awesome name ever. 'MMOwned Cash'
20:04 @Apoc • I know, I'm incredibly creative.
20:04 @Ket_ • Yes
20:04 @Apoc • :P
20:05 @Apoc • Anyhow, we have the ability to allow you guys to 'buy' access to forums and whatnot.
20:05 @Apoc • However, we're not certain if that's something we want to do (yet)
20:05 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Sounds good, but will this override / lessen usergroup colors and titles?
20:05 @Apoc • ^ The usergroup colors will stay the same. All the colors that conflict with pre-defined colors, are removed from the selectable list.
20:05 @Apoc • So no, you can't buy a red username.
20:06 @Ket_ • that might be good
20:06 @Apoc • Confucius • Will username changes have time limit? Becuase changing username every 1 month would get confusing
20:07 @Apoc • The cost for username changes is high enough; that nobody should be able to afford it every month. :)
20:07 @Apoc • We will keep the 'free' method that limits you to 1 change per year, or whatever it is currently.
20:07 @Apoc • But also allow you to 'buy' one earlier.
20:07 @Apoc • Also (something that Remus just reminded me of)
20:08 @Apoc • We can also offer discounts at the 'store' we have
20:08 @Apoc • So (depending on what we choose later) we can offer discounts to ID verified members.
20:08 @Apoc • Donators, etc.
20:09 @Apoc • Confucius • will people be able to buy gold points?
20:09 @Apoc • Yes. But prices haven't been decided on yet.
20:10 @Apoc • Hellgawd • But my other question is, are users allowed to buy themselves into, lets say, Legendary Forums? Or just certain 'buy-only' forums?
20:10 @Apoc • Absolutely not.
20:10 @Apoc • The Legendary/Elite/Contrib lounges are for those people who earned it.
20:10 @Apoc • Not bought it.
20:11 @Ket_ • Yes reputation will still remain seperate
20:11 @Apoc • And to whoever asked me about rep being carried over; you won't lose/gain any rep during the update.
20:11 @Ket_ • theorectically
20:11 @Apoc • And I don't think we have any changes in store for the rep system, other than another usergroup above the Legendary group
20:11 @Ket_ • :)
20:12 @Apoc • Nono Ket. We won't!
20:12 @Apoc • Don't jinx it damnit!
20:12 @Apoc • Confucius • how will gold be earned? From posts per day or rep gained or something else?
20:12 @Apoc • We'll start everyone off with a set amount of gold when we upgrade.
20:13 @Apoc • (Probably in the 600 range since color changes are in the 250-500 range)
20:13 @Apoc • Then you can earn more cash via either 'gambling' (we have a lotto, and some other games available)
20:13 @Apoc • Or via contests that will be setup by the staff or other members.
20:13 @Apoc • You can also trade cash
20:13 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • Is there a limit on how much gold you can "gift" to a person, like for instance how the rep system is set up where you can only rep a certain amt of points based on your position on the site?
20:14 @Apoc • We don't currently have a limit in mind. But if issues arise, there may be one in the future.
20:14 @Ket_ • Definitely one of those things we will take it as comes if there is an issue
20:14 • Apoc set mode [+v Dragonshadow]
20:14 @Apoc • Dragonshadow • what about custom userbars, could we get those in the store?
20:14 @Apoc • Explain?
20:14 @Ket_ • clearly someone will try to exploit the system....go figure
20:14 +Dragonshadow • Like currently we have emu userbars
20:15 +Dragonshadow • For emu experts
20:15 @Apoc • Oh, those.
20:15 +Dragonshadow • Yarp
20:15 @Apoc • Quite possibly.
20:15 • Apoc set mode [-v Dragonshadow]
20:15 @Apoc • That's something we can discuss later though.
20:15 @Apoc • :)
20:16 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • One issue I could think of would be account compromises where people will hack accounts of other members to send their gold to themselves
20:16 @Apoc • We're well aware of this
20:16 @Apoc • And unfortunately; it WILL happen.
20:16 @Apoc • However, we have full transaction logs, and finding this type of activity is somewhat easy. So it'll be taken care of on a case by case basis.
20:16 @Apoc • (Yes, we can return all your cash back to you if we feel the need to.)
20:17 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • Maybe, make it so that a moderator has to approve of a transfer before it can be completed (Have a private chat with the user personally or something along those lines etc.)
20:17 @Apoc • No.
20:17 @Apoc • Users will be able to trade 'cash' for pretty much anything.
20:17 @Ket_ • or create gifts for eachother
20:17 @Apoc • (Obviously not for $ outside of MMOwned)
20:18 @Apoc • Powerleveling, bot access, etc. Whatever someone wants to offer.
20:18 @Apoc • nothinglol • sexual favorz?
20:18 @Apoc • Only if I'm drunk.
20:19 @Apoc • On that note Ket
20:19 @Apoc • Gifts aren't really anything special IMO.
20:19 @Apoc • They're somewhat like the current 'awards' we have with the experience system.
20:19 @Apoc • Except that you can create custom gifts and whatnot. (I think, I'll have to double check that one)
20:19 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • Can you only give gold on a post by post basis (Like the current rep system where you must find a post to add the rep to) Or will you be able to without having to
20:19 @Ket_ • Mainly we hope that the cash system helps encourage great content on the site and that you all dig it
20:20 @Ket_ • while not being overbearing
20:20 @Apoc • @Sneakylemons_; no. It's not limited to any post in particular.
20:20 @Apoc • There are some kinks I'd like to work out during/after our upgrade, to make the cash trading a bit more streamlined than it currently is.
20:21 @Apoc • But no, you're not limited to a specific post like you are with rep.
20:21 @Ket_ • You can give cash at any time right?
20:21 @Apoc • Yes.
20:21 @Ket_ • You just enter the username of who you want it sent to and fires it away
20:21 @Apoc • Something like that
20:21 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • Is there a cooldown on giving gold to someone? (The rep CD in particular is what i mean)
20:22 @Apoc • Currently, no. But again; if it becomes a problem, there may be.
20:22 @Apoc • nothinglol • of course you mentioned you would fix it up more, and im sure uve already thought of this, but if cash is granted post by post and is giftable then that opens doorways wide for mass creating accounts, spam posts, etc. just pointing that out
20:22 @Apoc • You cannot 'trade' cash without at least 5 posts. (Same as our rep requirements IIRC) This will avoid a good bit of issues.
20:23 @Apoc • And like I said earlier; we can take it on a case by case basis. (Finding the people making mass accounts isn't too difficult)
20:23 @Apoc • Oh right, totally forgot
20:24 @Apoc • You'll be able to buy default post colors/bold/italic/font/etc as well
20:24 @Apoc • So no more having to remember to change the color.
20:24 @Apoc • And they're cheap, so you have no excuse!
20:25 @Apoc • And before I forget
20:25 @Apoc • Most items are REFUNDABLE
20:25 @Apoc • If you're not happy, you can get a refund for it (for 50-75% of what you paid for it)
20:26 @Ket_ • restock fee to put it back into the mmowned warehouse
20:26 @Apoc • Username/title/post options are all refundable
20:26 @Apoc • Lol, exactly Ket.
20:26 @Apoc • Obviously donations aren't refundable. Nor is the cash you spend gambling.
20:27 @Ket_ • Does anyone have anymore questions on the cash system?
20:27 @Apoc • Confucius • will there be any gambling games besides lottery that you play against other members in? Like mmowned poker? XD
20:27 @Apoc • Good idea, but no. (US laws forbid it)
20:28 @Ket_ • booo!
20:28 @Apoc • Remus • buy repzor?!
20:28 @Apoc • No
20:28 @Apoc • Dragonshadow • CAN I BUY ADMIN PLX
20:28 @Apoc • No
20:28 @Ket_ • We need to move mmowned headquarters to that island
20:28 @Apoc • nothinglol • ofc access to forums won't be refundable?
20:28 @Apoc • No. Forum access is non-refundable. (Nor are usergroup changes, if we add them.)
20:29 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Can I buy real-life items with MMOwned Cash?
20:29 @Apoc • That depends on the item.
20:29 @Apoc • Obviously, we're not looking to be taken to court.
20:29 @Apoc • Hellgawd • I guess what I meant to say is, will MMOwned be "selling" any real life items, like maybe MMOwned tshirts, using the MMowned cash currency?
20:30 @Apoc • Not a damned clue.
20:30 @Apoc • Ket?
20:30 @Ket_ • Tshirts I want to get back on the site
20:30 @Ket_ • and yes that is something that we want to offer for cash
20:30 @Ket_ • mmowned cash
20:30 @Apoc • :P
20:31 @Apoc • I'm just gonna call it $M from now on
20:31 @Apoc • Easier
20:32 @Apoc • Just off the top of my head, (AS AN EXAMPLE ONLY) you'll be able to buy gold in 'chunks'
20:32 @Apoc • Eg, something like $1 per 10 $M
20:32 @Apoc • So, $10 gets you 100 $M
20:32 @Apoc • Those prices will most likely change. But that's just an idea :)
20:33 @Apoc • Currently, changing your username color costs 500 $M
20:33 @Ket_ • Yes definitely something we'll mess with, but another great way to donate to the site
20:33 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • how much $m did you say you start out with again, forgot
20:34 @Apoc • We're not dead set on anything at the moment. But 600 $M sounds reasonable.
20:34 @Apoc • Enough to buy you a username color, or title, and some post options.
20:34 @Apoc • Or you can try your luck gambling.
20:35 @Apoc • P1raten • Elites being able to use user titles wont change right?
20:35 @Apoc • Honestly not sure on that.
20:36 @Apoc • We'll talk about that later.
20:36 @Apoc • I have custom user titles set to 1000 $M atm, which is most definitely going to change.
20:36 @Apoc • So depending on how low we make it, we may take away free title changes for elite/legendaries.
20:36 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Will there be a combination of things? For example, in order to change user titles, you are required to have Elite + 100 $M? (Not nessesarily this exact example, but something like this)
20:36 @Apoc • No reason for those types of restrictions.
20:37 @Apoc • Ket; would you be happy with setting discounts for each usergroup?
20:37 @Apoc • Contrib = 2% discount, Elite = 5% discount, Legendary = 10% discount
20:37 @Apoc • Or something like that
20:37 @Ket_ • defintely open to something like that yeah
20:37 @Ket_ • thast a new idea, thanks
20:38 @Apoc • The discount works on everything except gambling
20:38 @Apoc • Or at least, it will. :P
20:38 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Well, for example, if there is a feature that Legendary users get, and then a Leecher goes and buys it; sort of defeats the whole incentive in the first place.
20:38 @Apoc • Not entirely. If we go the discount route, leechers will have their 600 $M, and no more. THey won't receive the perks of being an active contributor on the site.
20:39 @Ket_ • No, we wish to keep rep rewards seperate as much as we can
20:39 @Apoc › nods
20:39 @Apoc • You can buy $M. But you can't buy popularity. :)
20:40 @Ket_ • So its sstill just as well to gain that legenendary status
20:40 @Ket_ • legendary :(
20:40 @Apoc • Anyhow, we'll make sure we try to give reputation rewards a bigger incentive over $M rewards
20:41 @Apoc • Any other questions/comments about the $M system?
20:42 @Ket_ • Yes, we have aanother topic
20:42 @Apoc • Confucius • upon reaching a new post rank or rep rank will you get some $M?
20:42 @Apoc • Doubtful.
20:42 @Apoc • Mkay, on to the next topic!
20:42 @Ket_ • It will be seperate likely
20:43 @Ket_ • Well first, really want more feedback on the look of the site, does it suck? could it be better etc. We do wish to get some submissions for a new header, The one we have on fpsowned right now is a placeholder
20:43 @Apoc • Hey! Don't mock my art!
20:44 @Ket_ • Also we will need something other graphics, Ill post in the graphics forums what we need
20:44 @Apoc • That took me 10 minutes to do!
20:44 @Ket_ • maybe we'll keep that one then!
20:44 @Apoc • :P
20:44 @Apoc • But yea, we *really* want feedback on the new look of the site.
20:44 @Apoc • Since you guys will be staring at it from now on. :)
20:45 @Ket_ • We will post the base logo to work with
20:45 @Apoc • nothinglol • just a question, what does the panda have to do with anything? how does it relate to mmo gaming or world of warcraft?
20:45 @Apoc • It was voted for by the community
20:46 @Apoc • So nobody has anything to say about the new style?
20:46 @Ket_ • we will try to have the best suite header for the site
20:47 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Personally, I would like to see what the MMOwned community can come up with in terms of a design that.. 'fits' more. Like the current MMOwned design, or even the last one. The new one feels 'cold', and unrelated to gaming in any way.
20:47 @Apoc • I think we're more than welcoming to anybody who wants to do that.
20:48 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • I say stick to the blue theme instead of the orange for topic names and forums etc. it makes it look weird, although they do contrast it is just
20:48 @Apoc • *SOMEONE* was supposed to make a child theme when they changed the link colors. (They're actually supposed to be white)
20:48 @Apoc • When we upgrade, I'll make sure we have a few different sets of colors available.
20:49 @Apoc • alj03 • Would being able to choose a different layout be possible? Like have 3 different ones to choose from?
20:49 @Apoc • Color schemes probably. Not 3 different skins entirely though.
20:49 @Apoc • (That wreaks havoc on us when we make even minor edits)
20:49 @Ket_ • What we will do is make a new post on mmowned to get feedback going
20:50 @Ket_ • Yes, it will be one theme
20:50 @Apoc • P1raten • vBulletin 4.0 styles are hard to design these days, so that wont be a possibilty. Not till v2 comes along, it would have to be something you change after v2.
20:50 @Apoc • Exactly.
20:50 @Apoc • The new vB4 theming system is quite a pain in the ass. So there isn't much to choose from currently.
20:50 @Ket_ • Yes, this is the best that we found so far in our opinion
20:51 @Apoc • Aye
20:51 @Ket_ • and from experience no new theme is going to make everyone happy
20:51 @Apoc • Well, I was kinda happy with the default skin. But that's just me. :P
20:52 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Has anyone thought or considered switching to a different forum system? I guess it is late in the game, but Invision Power Board seems to be blowing away the competition these days in every aspect; including theming.
20:52 @Apoc › coughs
20:52 @Apoc • How long have I been pitching that idea?
20:52 @Apoc • :P
20:52 @Ket_ • Yes thats been brought up a few times :)
20:52 @Apoc • We're not likely to switch unless it's *REALLY* worth it.
20:52 @Apoc • Confucius • What changes userside with vb 4?
20:53 @Apoc • What you'll see, won't be much change.
20:53 @Apoc • The profile pages have been totally revamped however (They're much nicer to look at now)
20:53 @Ket_ • and certain usergroups can have blogs
20:54 @Apoc • Speaking of which; I'd actually like to see how bad it is if we allow everyone to have a blog.
20:54 @Ket_ • or that too :)
20:54 @Parog • More blogs than people viewing them?
20:54 @Apoc • Nothing wrong with that.
20:54 @Apoc • Welcome to the internet. :)
20:55 @Apoc • Dragonshadow • how about have it so you "buy" a blog from the marketplace
20:55 @Apoc • That's an idea.
20:55 @Ket_ • well see cash system strikes again
20:55 @Apoc • Haha
20:56 @Apoc • We'll get back to blogs in a sec
20:56 @Apoc • I wanna discuss rep changes really quickly
20:56 @Apoc • So you guys can stop PMing me about it
20:57 @Apoc • First, and foremost; there will be NO changes in the rep requirements for usergroups.
20:57 @Apoc • I think the staff agreed that we'll add another usergroup at 1200 rep
20:57 @Apoc • P1raten • What new features will you get as a Epic member(lets call it that)?
20:57 @Apoc • More.
20:58 @Apoc • :)
20:58 @Apoc • Obviously with the new $M system, a lot of stuff is going to be tweaked.
20:58 @Apoc • So we'll let you know on opening day what the changes are.
20:58 @Apoc • ReidE96 • for the 1200 rep members, how about a super secret awesome forum, and maybe free ID verify or something?
20:59 @Apoc • No to the ID verified.
20:59 @Ket_ • our goal is to not devalue attaining any of the usergroups
20:59 @Apoc • There's a reason we have that, and being a great contrib isn't a loophole around it.
21:00 @Apoc • P1raten • Will you be tweaking the avatar sizes? If your able to buy it in market that is. Myself i think that you shouldnt be able to buy it since its a big part of getting a new rank IMO.
21:00 @Apoc • Most likely.
21:00 @Ket_ • ID verified is simply more trusted seller
21:00 @Apoc • I don't think we'll be giving the 1200 rep people bigger avatars though
21:00 @Apoc • The current largest size is already a bit too big.
21:01 @Apoc • Oh right
21:01 @Apoc • Just an FYI to any legendaries and such
21:01 @Apoc • -rep will most likely be buggy (or non-existant) for a while after we reopen.
21:01 @Apoc • There's some stuff I'm at a total loss on.
21:01 @Apoc • You'll live though.
21:02 @Apoc • Hellgawd • If you make these changes, are you thinking of increasing the pixel by pixel size of them? Because any larger than the current largest (120x120) might be a big too large on the forum, at least in my opinion. HOWEVER, increasing the max size of the image itself (in kb) could be useful for usergroups / $M.
21:02 @Apoc • That's an idea.
21:02 @Apoc • But keep in mind; the larger images we allow users to upload
21:02 @Apoc • The longer pages take to load.
21:02 @Apoc • We don't want to hurt our 56k users.
21:03 @Apoc • Or 3k baud
21:03 @Apoc • Anyhow
21:03 @Apoc • Hellgawd • I don't mean like, massive images. But the size constraints right now are extremely poor; just by having a 120x120 image, you can not have any animation whatsoever if you want to keep the quality. And, for those users with slower speeds; VB4 does have the option of disabling avatars and/or signatures for faster loading. :)
21:03 @Apoc • I didn't say no. :)
21:03 @Apoc • We'll have to play with that later at some point though.
21:04 @Apoc • Any other questions about rep?
21:04 @Apoc • nothinglol • will current rep restrictions on bawx remain? also, any changes to the bawx?
21:04 @Apoc • Most likely, yes.
21:04 @Apoc • However, the IRC client on v2 will be open to the public.
21:04 @Apoc • (IRC is so much nicer anyway)
21:05 @Apoc • ANd the SB software will most likely change.
21:05 @Apoc • ReidE96 • Will the marketplace have 'useless' items that folk can buy just for the sake of having? For example, the original one had a little golden button thing that was just there to look cool.
21:05 @Apoc • Sure. We can add vanity stuff. :)
21:05 @Apoc • Confucius • will contribs and such still have no ads?
21:05 @Apoc • Ket?
21:05 @Ket_ • Yes of course
21:06 @Ket_ • donators and up will not have ads
21:06 @Apoc • Dragonshadow • There is no way to integrate irc into a site (with usergroups), atleast, not without running your own irc server or something, right?
21:06 @Apoc • Correct. And we will NOT set up an IRCd on the MMOwned servers.
21:06 @Apoc • P1raten • And MMOwned uses a nulled forum?
21:06 @Apoc • Duh!
21:06 @Apoc • WE BE PIRATES!
21:06 @Ket_ • Arrr
21:06 @Apoc • Rofl
21:07 @Apoc • Seriously though; we don't run any warez on any of the MMOwned servers.
21:07 @Apoc • P1raten • thats not correct. Your able to make a custom page which only certain usergroups can view. ;)
21:07 @Apoc • We can make usergroups unable to view the site's built in IRC client
21:08 @Apoc • But they can still connect via a normal IRC client. (mIRC, BitchX, etc)
21:08 @Apoc • So why hide it at all? :)
21:08 @Apoc • ReidE96 • If we're going to move to irc properly, and changing the shoutbawx anyway, why not make it just something that hooks onto the irc channel?
21:08 @Apoc • IRC is TCP based. The connection won't persist through pages.
21:08 @Apoc • P1raten • There must be a way to restrain people from being able to use mIRC to join the channel.
21:09 @Apoc • Yes, if we host the IRCd.
21:09 @Apoc • Which we won't.
21:09 @Apoc • Anyhow, as for the SB
21:09 @Apoc • You won't really notice much difference, other than the layout and some other little things.
21:09 @Apoc • It's not a far stretch from what we have now
21:10 @Apoc • Anything else about rep/irc/the SB?
21:10 @Apoc • No?
21:11 @Parog • A personal request: Can we have the "Now online" in SB back with v2?
21:11 @Apoc • Onward!
21:11 @Apoc • Parog; when the SB is in full mode, it's there.
21:11 @Apoc • http://fpsowned.com/forums/shoutbox/
21:11 @Apoc • P1raten • are you making a new MMOwned handbook? People wont be very familiar with how to give rep since the buttons will relocate.
21:11 @Parog • Aw sweet.
21:11 @Apoc • Confusion is a given. The handbook isn't on our priority list, so it'll be done after we reopen.
21:12 @Ket_ • it will be work in progress for sure
21:12 @Apoc • Aye
21:12 @Apoc • There's a lot of changes, so it'll have to be done from scratch.
21:12 @Apoc • Anything else before we move on?
21:13 @Ket_ • I think we are good
21:13 @Apoc • Onward!
21:13 @Apoc • ReidE96 • Apologies if it was discussed before I got here, but do we plan to remove the sections for dead games (*cough*AoC*cough*) in MMOwned v2?
21:13 @Apoc • You have awesome timing. :)
21:14 @Apoc • We're MMOwned.
21:14 @Ket_ • We will be added "other mmo's" as you can see on fpsowned now
21:14 @Ket_ • and the games we currently have will remain but will be moved into the other mmo section
21:14 @Apoc › nods
21:15 @Apoc • If certain things (such as guides for a specific game) become incredibly abundant.
21:15 @Apoc • We can add subforums
21:15 @Apoc • But the idea is to leave it with as little as we can, without making it hectic to browse.
21:16 @Ket_ • Yes, we hope to clean up anything non WoW
21:16 @Ket_ • but we do want to have other games
21:16 @Ket_ • and we are right up there if you google age of conan exploits and etc
21:17 @Apoc • Confucius • does that include emu stuff for other games too?
21:17 @Apoc • Absolutely.
21:17 @Apoc • Hellgawd • So new MMO's that come out will be first in the 'Other MMO' forum with just a tag? [AoC] as an example. And then if it gets popular, it gets a subforum there? And if it expands and gets even more popular (Lets say, the size of WoW or relatively close) then it gets expanded again into multiple forums? And then if a game gets less popular, will it get downgraded in a similar fashion? Sorry, a bunch of questions and such rolled into one,n o idea if it even makes se
21:17 @Ket_ • Yep
21:17 @Apoc • More or less.
21:17 @Apoc • But once we 'give' space, we won't remove it for obvious reasons.
21:17 @Ket_ • If a game gets very popular then by all means we will open it up more
21:17 @Apoc • Hence why we need to be fairly strict on when we give more room.
21:18 @Ket_ • of course WoW is first and foremost and completely dwarfs everything else
21:18 @Apoc • Lol yea
21:18 @Apoc • It'll be a while before anything can even begin to contend with our WoW collection :)
21:18 @Ket_ • but we all try new games
21:19 @Ket_ • oh i'm sorry, it gnomes everything else
21:19 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Well when you say you won't remove space, some games could go through a massive population spurt and deserve such space, and then a new game could come out which instantly steals the spotlight and loses most of it's players. Many games aren't quite as sustaining as WoW :P So even if a game gets entirely dead (like, less than a new thread a month) you won't downsize it?
21:19 @Apoc • If that's the case, we'll deal with it when it happens.
21:20 @Apoc • I think WAR was the only one that died THAT fast.
21:20 @Ket_ • The other mmos section allows us to test the waters with new games
21:20 @Apoc • Aye
21:20 @Apoc • ReidE96 • Any plans to return the giveaways section in a new form (since we don't condone scamming now)? Sort of a "hey, so I have a spare beta key for <blah>" type thing, with the same rules as were on the old one.
21:21 @Ket_ • we wont take away once we give, but we wont have to create a whole new section for members to have to navigate now
21:21 @Apoc • @ReidE96; that one is honestly a bit iffy.
21:22 @Apoc • That's something the staff will need to talk about
21:22 @Apoc • Since we'll have to troll that pretty hard.
21:22 @Ket_ • yeah likely it will be a case by case situation
21:22 @Ket_ • not sure about a dedicated forum
21:23 @Apoc • While we're on the topic of forum reorganization
21:23 @Apoc • With v2, I want to *finally* start using something we should have been using a long time ago
21:23 @Apoc • Required thread prefixes.
21:24 @Apoc • Just as an example
21:24 @Apoc • In the new Emu sections
21:24 @Apoc • There will be prefixes such as
21:24 @Apoc • [ArcEmu], [Mangos], [Trinity] or w/e the hell the emu cores are
21:25 @Apoc • That you will be REQUIRED to select before you post a thread.
21:25 @Apoc • This allows everyone to quickly filter threads by the prefix via the search system.
21:25 @Apoc • And it's just a hell of a lot cleaner, and more consistent.
21:25 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Required thread prefixes are a fantastic idea (especially in the emu forum, or programming forum), but they can be too static at times. Will there be a semi-transparent way for users to vote on new prefixes to be added to the system?
21:25 @Apoc • Of course.
21:25 @Ket_ • !!
21:26 @Ket_ • this is good
21:26 @Apoc • I'll say it now; you guys probably won't be happy with our choices of prefixes off the bat
21:26 @Apoc • But you'll have to work with us on that :)
21:27 @Apoc • ReidE96 • Will the prefix system be applied to *all* forums? For example, a thread in the shared lounge might not actually *need* a prefix. And definitely news posts in that section don't.
21:27 @Apoc • I'm hoping to give prefixes to every forum
21:28 @Apoc • But not REQUIRE them for every forum.
21:28 @Apoc • Dragonshadow • lol what about buying custom prefixes? (bad idea probably)
21:28 @Apoc • Sorry, but no.
21:28 @Apoc • [AMAGADPREFIX] My Awesome Thread
21:28 @Apoc • ^ I think not.
21:29 @Apoc • P1raten • What about trusted members, like legends and <inser new rank name>, being able to use custom prefixes?
21:29 @Apoc • There will be no custom prefixes at all.
21:29 @Apoc • ReidE96 • With prefixes, will we still have thread icons? Because if I see one more thread tagged "Legendary" by its starter...
21:30 @Apoc • That's honestly something I personally want to get rid of. I think it's a majorly useless thing to have on the site. But that's something for everyone else to decide on.
21:30 @Apoc • Hellgawd • An interesting idea based off Dragonshadow's. Not sure how I feel about it, but its an idea so I may as well say it :P Will users be able to buy one-shot prefixes, such as 'Legendary' with $M to use on certain threads they feel should be highlighted?
21:30 @Ket_ • Yes we may pull back on the use of icons
21:30 @Apoc • @Hellgawd; I like that idea.
21:31 @Apoc • Also; Hellgawd means the thread icons. (Legendary, Official, News, etc, etc)
21:32 @Ket_ • This is a good idea, a sin tax
21:32 @Apoc • Hm?
21:32 @Ket_ • for using icons :)
21:33 @Apoc • Oh, rofl.
21:33 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • Are Legendary users and above going to be allowed to tag a thread they feel is useful as anything, sort of like a sticky or something like that, so that we can weed out the good threads from the bad
21:33 @Apoc • That's actually something I was looking for the other day.
21:33 @Apoc • However, that does tie into our next 2 subjects.
21:33 @Apoc • =)
21:33 @Apoc • Blogs & Articles
21:34 @Apoc • Staff can promote any post on the site to an 'Article'
21:34 @Apoc • Which is shown on the front page.
21:34 @Ket_ • As will the newsteam
21:34 @Ket_ • if it works right
21:34 @Apoc • Well, the news team will be restricted a bit :)
21:34 @Ket_ • exactly
21:34 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • Anything from any forum? And if it is posted as an article is it posted on both the front page AND the original forum?
21:35 @Apoc • The article will automatically link back to the forum post for discussion purposes.
21:35 @Apoc • The forum post doesn't change, it only gets an added entry to the front page.
21:35 @Apoc • Sneakylemons_ • What accounts for a staff member right now, Red, Green, Cyan, Black?
21:35 @Apoc • Yes
21:36 @Apoc • nothinglol • what about relevant articles on other sites?
21:36 @Ket_ • we hope that it will greatly help highlight good content
21:36 @Apoc • That's something the News Team will deal with
21:36 @Apoc • What Ket said :)
21:36 @Apoc • Anyhow, the article system is pretty simple, so I'm not going to bother going any further.
21:36 @Apoc • As for blogs!
21:36 @Apoc • Every post on the site will have a 'Blog This' button or something like that
21:36 @Apoc • So you can automatically quote a post text, and write a new blog entry.
21:37 @Apoc • New blog posts show up on the front page
21:37 @Apoc • As well as by clicking on the 'Blogs' tab
21:37 @Apoc • http://fpsowned.com/forums/blogs/
21:38 @Apoc • For instance
21:38 @Ket_ • well also have the hottest blogs list
21:38 @Apoc • Already there Ket :)
21:38 @Apoc • Hellgawd • With the new blog system, will the News Team highlight certain blog posts / blogs themselves as part of a weekly feature? As well, will blogs be widely available, and how customizable will they be? Will they function as general internet blogs, or merely intermural MMOwned blogs
21:38 @Apoc • Again; up to the News Team.
21:39 @Apoc • We want to keep them on the 'News' though.
21:39 @Apoc • Anyhow, blogs are for you guys. They're not meant to be some 'fame' tool or the like.
21:39 @Apoc • You're more than welcome to use it as your main blogging page. But you're most definitely not required to have any blog entries.
21:39 @Ket_ • yeah we'll just have to see how much they are embraced by the community
21:39 @Apoc • Aye
21:40 @Apoc • Hellgawd • Will blogs be themeable like user pages? Are user pages on v2 even going to be themeable? (CSS, etc.)
21:40 @Apoc • To a certain extent, es.
21:40 @Apoc • Yes*
21:40 @Apoc • Dragonshadow • will you be able to give rep to helpful blog posts?
21:40 @Apoc • I want to say no, but we'll just say 'maybe, maybe not.'
21:41 @Apoc • Anyhow
21:41 @Apoc • That's all there is to the blogs + articles.
21:43 @Apoc • While Ket decides what we're talking about next, I just wanted to point out ahead of time, that the entire site will be 'down' for 1-3days. (Hopefully only 1)
21:43 @Apoc • So make plans to get some sun. :)
21:44 @Apoc • Mkay, I guess it's just on to any questions you guys still have.
21:44 @Apoc • ReidE96 • Will there be some sort of "staff blog" to keep the members up to date on what the staff are discussing? (with the exceptions of topics the staff feel should be kept private)
21:44 @Ket_ • Actually does anyone have any other questions regarding v2?
21:44 @Apoc • Hopefully, yes Reid.
21:44 @Apoc • If you have a question, just PM me, and I'll voice you so you can ask.
21:44 @Apoc • Make it quick please.
21:45 • Apoc set mode [+v Hellgawd]
21:45 @Apoc • Quickly :O
21:45 +Hellgawd • Will there be more emphasis on custom communities within MMOwned with the new update?
21:45 @Apoc • Emu experts group and all that?
21:45 @Ket_ • Like groups?
21:45 +Hellgawd • Yes
21:46 @Apoc • Honestly; all but 1 of the groups are pretty much totally dead.
21:46 @Apoc • We'll see.
21:46 @Apoc • :P
21:46 +Hellgawd • I didn't just mean private, staff-approved groups either; custom communities (user-created ones) if they were given more importance, or rather usefulness / functions, (there is a lot more to groups in vb4) they would be more used
21:46 @Ket_ • I think we need to take a look at how we can get other groups active again, ideas definitely welcome
21:47 @Ket_ • Yeah this past version we purposely keep them public
21:47 @Ket_ • as we have private forums already for that kind of exclusive stuff
21:47 +Hellgawd • Alright
21:47 +Hellgawd • Another idea for v2 that I had was regarding member-hosted contests, or perhaps just more frequently (perhaps monthly or bimonthly, pre-scheduled) contests?
21:48 @Ket_ • but yeah using the groups more, it may be an untapped resource now we could use
21:48 @Apoc • With the $M system, we can actually do that now :)
21:48 @Ket_ • my main concern was creating basically new private forums if groups can be freely created and made invite only
21:49 +Hellgawd • Would there be a 'Tournament & Contest' forum where users could anounce their custom contests and such?
21:49 @Ket_ • yeah boom, there goes the cash system again
21:49 +Hellgawd • :P
21:49 @Apoc • We'll see about that Hellgawd.
21:49 @Apoc • Anyhing else? Others have questions
21:49 +Hellgawd • Nope, I'm done
21:49 • Apoc set mode [-v Hellgawd]
21:50 @Apoc • Damn, already forgot who I was gonna voice
21:51 @Apoc • Nobody?
21:51 @Apoc • Ah right, thanks Hellgawd
21:51 @Ket_ • Well we do hope yall like v2 of mmowned which we do have to get going in the next week
21:51 @Apoc • Really quick Ket; what are the plans for FPSOwned once MMOwned is up?
21:51 @Ket_ • we will have to have some downtime when we finally do it
21:51 @Apoc • We're reopening it again at some point correct?
21:51 @Ket_ • Oh yes once mmowned is all set and going
21:52 @Ket_ • very excited to get fpsowned going again
21:52 @Ket_ • I play a lot of CoD :)
21:52 @Apoc • Haha
21:52 • Apoc set mode [-m]

[Apoc]

A lot of stuff was brought up this time around, and some of the ideas are just plain awesome.

With the advent of our new cash system, it brings us quite a few new things that we can do.

Here's a quick list of some of them:

• More contests, more often.
• Ability to 'buy' features
• Ability to 'buy' post and thread icons.
• Customizable features at every turn. (Avatar sizes, signature sizes, forum access, etc)

That's only the short list. There are many many other things available to us.

Reputation will remain the same for the most part. However, since the new $M system will be in effect, some tweaks to permissions, and other 'goodies' (such as avatar size, and whatnot) will be changed a bit. They will not be major, they will simply be enough to keep things balanced.

The shoutbox will be changing a bit, since we are forced to switch SB products. IMHO, the new one is much nicer, and more light-weight than our current one.

Forums will receive thread prefixes! Certain forums will have prefixes required on threads before being allowed to post. For example; the emulation sections may have prefixes such as: [Mangos], [ArcEmu], [Trinity], etc. These prefixes are also available as a search filter, so you can quickly narrow down results.

A lot of other stuff was discussed, some of which you'll find out on our reopening.

I'd like to thank all the people who joined us, and a special thanks to those who asked a lot of very good questions, and gave us some valuable feedback.

[Hellgawd]

Awesum meetin'

[nothinglol]

20:17 @Apoc • Users will be able to trade 'cash' for pretty much anything.
...
20:18 @Apoc • nothinglol • sexual favorz?
20:18 @Apoc • Only if I'm drunk.

I can't wait.

[Confucius]

Very nice meeting

[Obama]

Sounds good! Can't wait for the upgrade!

[[Pat]]

I can't wait for the new version of MMowned D:

[ßetray]

Can you change the chat log to something other than "code". Side scrolling sucks.

[Hellgawd]

CONFIRMED: RTSOwned

[Xel]

Lawl, all I see is Apoc and Ket.
Looking good.

~Xel

[KuRIoS]

Can you change the chat log to something other than "code". Side scrolling sucks.

copy paste it into word....

[7itanium]

I think the new systems as far as the mmowned cash and the new ranks and all that is an epic idea.

as far as the site as it currently sits (on fpsowned).. I think its a bit plain and I like the current site a bit more

[stoneharry]

<3 Thread Tag Prefixes.

[JD]

Sounds like there's going to be alot of changes Cool

[Syplex23]

cool sounds awesome

haha love the first few comments:

20:00 @Apoc • QUIET!
20:00 @Ket_ • Shhush