Seeing an UnID'd Item's stats before it's ID'd?

[Simonzi]

I was browsing the Diablo Reddit, and noticed this post from a user, on a thread about selling UnID'd items.

Fair warning for those of you who are looking into doing this on the buying side, there are client side programs that allow you to look at the stats of an unidentified item. An items stats are rolled when it drops, not when it is identified, therefore the data is in memory and can be retrieved.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are already people out there selling unidentified items that they have already "peaked at" using this method.

and then made a follow up post

I was very interested in analyzing the item data of D3 and looking into various tools out there that might have access to this data. Some of those tools included botting tools which used DLL injection (roughly speaking, run inside of the D3 process) to achieve calling native D3 functions such as "GetItemAttribute". You can see this in their documentation.

Reading the forums for these tools, I noticed one player saying they used this function on an unidentified item in their inventory and it returned stat values. This means that the stat values are already there and accessible with these tools before an item is identified.

Anyone have any info on this?

[kiIlabyte]

i would guess poking around in the memory of the game. but that would most likely be detectable and i don't think changing the stats would be something that would stick, if it even worked. however if you could just look at it and see what it was...

[Simonzi]

i would guess poking around in the memory of the game. but that would most likely be detectable and i don't think changing the stats would be something that would stick, if it even worked. however if you could just look at it and see what it was...

Yeah, I'd never assume to be able to change the stats of an UnID'd item, just see what is is before ID'ing it could be useful. That way you could do exactly what that person is warning against... Take a look at the UnID'd Hellion Crossbow, see if its good or junk, and if it's junk, huck it UnID'd for 2 mil gold

[kiIlabyte]

dirty but you know what - those same people you rip off are the ones that list everything at obscene prices and have it so you can't afford shit in the AH without having a script or a bot run all night.

[sketax]

one thesis, what do u think is the item-ID created when the item drops or will it be created and registrated after identifying? if the item isnt registrated with ID then u can maybe edit those client-values of the item and identify it. so u have customize those clientside values. Is there maybe a problem, when the server has a duplicate of the item-values in his database?

[MuppetMuffin]

Finding an items stats before IDing it is IMO no doubt possible.

Changing an items stats impossible.

So only thing you could use this for is scam people, sell unid archon tier items for 150k a pop so people can hope they get something good out of it. While you already know they don't.

[mings]

I am always skeptical of unid items, especially lately, the sellers are increasing everyday. (Maybe someone here can shed a light on this?)

It looks tempting to gamble actually, a piece of archon armor for 200-300k?
If I buy 10 at 3mil, I have a pretty good shot of turning a profit.

[Omgadnowai]

No, you don't have a good shot of turning a profit with 300k Archon Pieces... Most of them are worthless. Literally. Worth - nothing.

[niguz]

Item stats for rares and legendaries are created, as like any other item, on drop and not on identifying.
There was a bluepost to clarify this.

So may be possible.

[jusso]

To add to this im now seeing people spamming to buy unid Helion Bows and just now Rune Swords. Very curious to find out whats going down with this. Pretty sure it cant be someone gambling on rolls.

[Dunamus]

Saw a post about this on d2jsp:

You know how when you press escape, you rubberband a little bit? Press escape right before the item is identified and you should be able to see the stats for a brief second.

Something along those lines.

[TheKingKong]

tried that escape trick and it my item was ID lol

[mayainverse]

so far as i understand in this thread its only speculation that the item stats are already on your machine right?
its also possible that the items stats only exist on the servers and IDing the item sends your computer the stats like maps its streaming.
but I am also only guessing also.

[jusso]

If resetting your local time could allow you to cancel auctions I would not be surprised that the stats on items are stored locally somewhere. There has to be a file that stores all item info and someone has a program to look at changes to that file and find any new unid item drops.

[Sushii]

If resetting your local time could allow you to cancel auctions I would not be surprised that the stats on items are stored locally somewhere. There has to be a file that stores all item info and someone has a program to look at changes to that file and find any new unid item drops.

Doubt it, items will always be server side. Items on client-side will mean that anyone that has access to it can change the state. Regardless, it makes no sense as that would mean you'll need to download stuff before you can actually play on your character somewhere other than your computer.