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    SPOTTING FLAWS/Improving Players in your raid with Recount.

    For most of you this will be pretty obvious, but I use this tool all the time to help raid members maximise their DPS.

    So first the tool is Recount(http://files.wowace.com/Recount/Recount.zip - Not a virus, its from a well known site called WOWACE), it can be a memory Hog, but because of its unbelievable utility it is allowed to be.

    Its basically a damage meter, however if you click on peoples names, it tells you what damaging skills they use, how much damage they are doing(or ticking for) on average and a nice little Pie Graph comprised of all damaging skills.

    This is what skills should be used for every class:

    I will list every class and Spec that is considered Viable.

    Rogue:
    19+1/41+1/0(Combat Swords/Fists) - Melee/Sinister Strike/Rupture or Eviscerate(on bleed immune mobs)/Deadly Poison

    17+3/0/41+3(Shadowstep - PS tell this person to respec) - Melee/Hemo/rupture or Eviscerate/Deadly Poison

    15/41/5(Combat Daggers) - Melee/Backstab/Rupture or Eviscerate/Deadly Poison(NO ENVENOM!)

    Mutilate - Melee/Mutilate/Rupture or Eviscerate/Deadly Poison(This is a MUST!)

    Mage:
    Frost - Frostbolt, Ice Lance is a terrible skill on targets that are not frozen and should never be used!

    Arcane - Arcane Blast/Arcane Missiles/Pyroblast(Very Little, only whem PoM is up)

    Fire - Fireball/Scorch(Not excessive scorching, just enough to keep debuff up)

    Paladin
    :
    Holy - Depending on gear and progression level, Flash of light dominates Kara/ZA/SSC/TK, Holy Light Dominates BT/Hyjal/SwP when you start getting haste. Both are used frequently, and if you have no spell haste then you should not be spamming holy light.

    Prot - Concecrate/Melee/Ret Aura/Holy shield/Exorcism(If its Demon/Undead)

    AND
    Case 1: Seal of Vengeance/Judge of Vengeance
    Case 2: Seal of Righteosness/Jude of Right

    Retribution - Melee/Crusader Strike

    AND
    Case 1: Seal of Blood/Judgement of Blood
    Case 2: Seal of Command/Judgement of Command

    Shaman:
    Elemental: Lightning Bolt/Chain Lightning

    Enhancement:Melee/Stormstrike/Windfury Attack/Earth Shock/Flame Shock/Searing Totem

    Resto: Chain Heal(AMAZING HEAL)/Earth Shield(Always keep on tank!)/Lesser Healing Wave(Fights with no AOE damage, which are very few like a good Prince)

    Warlock:
    Affliction: Curse of Agony(or elements)/Unstable Affliction/Corruption/Siphon Life/Immolate/Shadowbolt(Can't stress this one enough!)

    Demo: Felguard attacks/(Curse of Agony/Elements)/Shadowbolt

    Destro(0/21/40): Shadow Bolt or Incinerate/Curse of Doom/Elements

    Note: If you keep immolate up the Incinerate is slightly higher DPS, however the group utility due to the lack of Improved Shadow Bolt to horrible.

    Priest:
    Discipline: Don't belong in the raid unless you are doing Bloodboil in BT or maybe Leotheras in SSC. (See Holy)

    Holy: Greater Heal(Mana Efficient, low HPS, max rank is guranteed to overheal)/Flash Heal(Mana inefficient, higher hps)/Renew(Should always be up on tank)/Prayer of Mending

    Shadow: Vampiric Touch/SW: Pain/Mind Blast/SW: Death/Mind Flay/Vampiric Embrace(If threat is non-issue and is required)

    Warrior:
    Arms: Melee/Mortal Strike/Whirlwind/Slam - If a warrior is not using each of these skills, he needs better gear or needs to stop gimping himself.

    Fury: Melee/Whirlwing/Bloodthirst

    Prot:
    Offensives - Shield Slam/Revenge/Devastate/Heroic Strike
    Defensives - Shield Block/Shield Bash/Last Stand/Shield Wall

    Hunter:
    BM: 3:2 or 1:1 Steady Shot - Auto Shot + Kill Command is extremely high dps!

    MM: Steady shot/Auto shot/Arcane or Multi shot/Kill Command

    SV: See MM

    Druid:
    Balance: Moonfire/Starfire x 4

    Feral(DPS): Mangle/Shred x 4/Rip

    Feral(Tank): Mangle/Lacerate/Swipe/Maul

    Resto: Lifebloom(Very Important)/Revuj/Swiftmend/Regrowth


    CONCLUSION:
    Like I said this is for Raid leaders who are tired of noobs. This is not gonna help any experienced raider, hopefully this will help out raid leaders trying to figure out why someone is only doing X amount of DPS, or why this tank keeps losing aggro.

    Credits:
    100% written by me, most of this is knowledge that I've learned on various sites.

    Please post any concerns, I have only play 3 of these classes in high end raids, and I currently am a raid leader for a small group of casuals.

    ALL INPUT IS NEEDED.

    Alright hopefully this actually counts as a contribution i'm tired of leeching .
    Last edited by cangiz; 08-31-2008 at 08:03 PM.

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    I just have a question. Like with DBM, you have to be raid leader to announce stuff... Do you have to be raid leader to get all this data?

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    Lunera68's Avatar Active Member
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    2 big flaws... balance druid that use wrath need to be gkicked right away
    desto locks + curse of dooms on boss = win CoA sucks

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    cangiz's Avatar Member
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    Originally Posted by ddrfreak View Post
    I just have a question. Like with DBM, you have to be raid leader to announce stuff... Do you have to be raid leader to get all this data?
    Nope any member running recount and is withing 200 yards of the combat will be able to see this data.

    2 big flaws... balance druid that use wrath need to be gkicked right away
    desto locks + curse of dooms on boss = win CoA sucks

    Changed druid rotation to MF/SFx4 and change agony to Doom, you are totally right, so much info, I sometimes forget things :S.

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    I play a fire mage myself. And I HATE it when I see noob fire mages doing pyroblasts doing mages... Now I can see when I'm not paying attention! Yay! =D

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    When I have some time I will add what rotations people should use. Like Rogues have many rotations (1s/5r, 4s/5r, 3s/5s/5r). I'm gonna try and edit with what should go under what. Please guys if you have any suggestions/criticisms etc please let me know. I would not want any bad information to be here.

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    lol never use disciple priest ? They are more useful than holy priests tbh

    Why take priests when you can take pallys or druid?
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    Don't waste PoM on arcane blast also arcane blast is very good dps if you have a nice amount of mana alot of pots I know a couple mages that do it and are usally top dps also as a Druid that excells at all specs you use wrath continuosly starfire over and over won't get you top dps wrath is way faster and adds up the damage faster but I do do starfire some times but it's a slow cast also if an idiot says get haste then go kill yourself also to the idiot above you NEVEREVER use a disc priest in raids dumbass holy priests kickass
    Last edited by [Thefuzz]; 08-31-2008 at 10:22 PM.

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    Excellent program, used this back in my raiding days - has come along way. As a Class Leader, we were able to c who was pulling their weight, who wasn't and how to improve

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    cangiz's Avatar Member
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    Originally Posted by Gizzer View Post
    lol never use disciple priest ? They are more useful than holy priests tbh

    Why take priests when you can take pallys or druid?
    Disc Priests don't have the healing capacity to actually be a strong part of the raid. They bring Pain supression which can be very useful, but on most bosses the losses in healing/spirit/talents are too detrimental to the class.

    Priests are the most versatile helaing class in the game.

    Need Raid healing? PoM, PoH and CoH at your desire.
    Tank healing? Greater heal is the highest HPM non-HoT in the game, with renew you can keep tanks up with ease.

    I would like to see a pally do aoe healing XD.

    Don't waste PoM on arcane blast also arcane blast is very good dps if you have a nice amount of mana alot of pots I know a couple mages that do it and are usally top dps also as a Druid that excells at all specs you use wrath continuosly starfire over and over won't get you top dps wrath is way faster and adds up the damage faster but I do do starfire some times but it's a slow cast also if an idiot says get haste then go kill yourself also to the idiot above you NEVEREVER use a disc priest in raids dumbass holy priests kickass
    Starfire is more DPS, its a longer cast but chain casting it while keeping MF up will be the highest dps possible. Wrath is more useful on fights where you have to move around beacuse of its short cast time. It is also useful on fast dying trash.

    PoM should only be used in conjuction with Pyroblast. Arcane mages go out of mana fast which makes them poor specs for raid bosses. the cookie cutter fire spec (2/47/11 + 1) is a much better choice.

    Originally Posted by Games4life View Post
    Excellent program, used this back in my raiding days - has come along way. As a Class Leader, we were able to c who was pulling their weight, who wasn't and how to improve
    Yes it is very important. You not only see the low dps, most of the time you can see what they are doing wrong!
    Last edited by cangiz; 08-31-2008 at 11:19 PM.

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    colincancer's Avatar Active Member
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    haha not to bad!
    #JODYS'WATCHiN

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    Did you just retype everything from MaxDPS.com - World of Warcraft Gear Rankings - News
    lol!!

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    I run recount to keep an eye on myself and my raid, but I also run Wow Web Stats (WWS) and really prefer it for breaking everything down after a raid.

    Wow Web Stats

    WWS is a java based program that uploads a copy of your combat log to the website, and breaks every little thing down for you. You can then check out what your raid did on the website (guildies can too) which makes it much easier to get into fine detail on different fights, trash, etc...

    As an example playing my lock my DPS was always super high in kara, but when you take out trash (SoC spam ftw) you would get a much more accurate idea of my boss DPS which is what really counts.
    :wave:

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    gry000's Avatar Member
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    I think you should improve the warlock destruction part,
    Destro(0/21/40): Shadow Bolt or Incinerate/Curse of Doom/Elements
    you wrote, i think the correct one is /Destro(0/21/40): Shadow Bolt and Curse of Elements or Doom or Immolate and Incinerateand Curse of Doom or Elements/

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    cangiz's Avatar Member
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    Originally Posted by unitzero89 View Post
    Did you just retype everything from MaxDPS.com - World of Warcraft Gear Rankings - News
    lol!!
    No I did not, and I will prove is by doing actual skill rotations. Just because another site has the same ideas, does not make it copying. I am merely giving out the advice which I have learned throughout my wow career. There is usually one set of dps options for every spec so the fact that you seem the same set of skills advised on another site should just help confirm my points.

    It features all the skills on one page for easy access.

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