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    [Raid] Raid Boss Armor

    Original Guide by Dayve of <Eternity> on Gorgonnash.

    I've been doing a fair bit of testing on mob armor over the past month. I've been using pretty much the same method as Lactose, although I use imp. Thunder Clap (which has a fixed damage amount).

    To make things easier, I wrote a simple addon that watches for TC hitting my target, calculates how much it should have hit for before armor reduction, and outputs into a chat window the range of armor values that could have produced the observed hit (taking into account any armor debuffs of course). My estimates were then taken from the intersection of all the ranges that I recorded. From the size of the ranges, the accuracy of the results should be about +/- 30.

    So far, I've managed to get results for almost every trash mob and boss in SSC, TK, BT, and Hyjal. Some of the values are different from the ones Lactose obtained. I'll just list the boss armor values, because those are the useful ones .

    Gruul's Lair:
    High King Maulgar: 7700
    Gruul the Dragonkiller: 7700

    Magtheridon's Lair:
    Magtheridon: 7700

    Zul'Aman:
    Nalorakk: 7700
    Akil'zon: 7700
    Jan'alai: 7700
    Halazzi: 7700
    Hex Lord Malacrass: 6200
    Zul'jin: 7700

    Serpentshrine Cavern:
    Hydross the Unstable: 7700
    The Lurker Below: 7700
    Leotheras the Blind: 7700
    Fathom-Lord Karathress 6200
    Morogrim Tidewalker: 7700
    Lady Vashj: 6200

    Tempest Keep:
    Void Reaver: 8800
    High Astromancer Solarian: 6200
    Al'ar: 7700
    Kael'thas Sunstrider: 6200

    Hyjal Summit:
    Rage Winterchill: 6200
    Anetheron: 6200
    Kaz'rogal: 6200
    Azgalor: 6200
    Archimonde: 6200

    Black Temple:
    High Warlord Naj'entus: 7700
    Supremus: 7700
    Shade of Akama: 7700
    Teron Gorefiend: 6200
    Gurtogg Bloodboil: 7700
    Reliquary of Souls:
    - Essence of Suffering: 0
    - Essence of Desire: 7700
    - Essence of Anger: 7700
    Mother Shahraz: 6200
    Illidari Council:
    - Gathios the Shatterer: 6200
    Illidan Stormrage: 7700

    Sunwell Plateau:
    Kalecgos (Dragon): 6200
    - Sathrovarr the Corruptor: 6200
    Brutallus: 7700
    Felmyst: 6200
    The Eredar Twins:
    - Grand Warlock Alythess: 6200
    - Lady Sacrolash: 6200
    M'uru: 7700
    - Shadowsword Fury Mage: 5700
    - Shadowsword Berserker: 7100
    - Void Sentinel: 6800

    Notice that all but 2 of the bosses have either 6200 or 7700 armor. A similar pattern occurs in the trash mobs: 5475/5700/5950 or 6800/7100/7400 for level 70/71/72 mobs. In terms of percentage reduction, these values result in either 34.15% or 39.15% armor reduction vs attackers of the same level as the mob.
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    how is this even remotly helpful it doesnt matter if u know how much armor something has its still going to die as fast

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    good guide for melee classes

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    Originally Posted by ben98902 View Post
    how is this even remotly helpful it doesnt matter if u know how much armor something has its still going to die as fast

    its general interest and it gives you a minor advantage just like having the mob info addon that records how much health mobs have. stop flaming.

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    It's useful so you know how much Ignore Armor you should get on your gear. My question is, how much can a boss' armor get reduced in a raid by abilities like sunder armor, fairie fire and so on.

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    yeah exactually

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    Epic find bro.

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    Originally Posted by paraDOX88 View Post
    It's useful so you know how much Ignore Armor you should get on your gear. My question is, how much can a boss' armor get reduced in a raid by abilities like sunder armor, fairie fire and so on.
    I read somewhere before it's 3500 armor reduction

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    Originally Posted by paraDOX88 View Post
    It's useful so you know how much Ignore Armor you should get on your gear. My question is, how much can a boss' armor get reduced in a raid by abilities like sunder armor, fairie fire and so on.
    Found it.


    The answer to that isn't simple; all of those things are dependant on how much armor the boss has before debuffs, as well as what other debuffs are on the boss.

    Armor reduction of a level 73 boss attacked by a level 70 player is 37% for 6200 armor, and 42.17% for 7700 armor. Sunder Armor x5 is -2600 armor, Faerie Fire is -610, and Curse of Recklessness is -800.

    For a boss with 6200/7700 armor, SA x5 gives a damage increase of 18.36%/16.61%.

    If we assume now that the boss has SA stacked x5 on it, adding just FF gives a further 4.5%/4.05% increase, CoR gives 5.99%/5.38%, and with both on they give 11.06%/9.9% increase over just SA.

    Armor Penetration is a bit more complex because it comes it varied amounts. If the boss has just SA x5 on it, then the effect of ArP is as follows:
    100 ArP: 0.71%/0.64%
    200 ArP: 1.43%/1.29%
    300 ArP: 2.16%/1.95%
    400 ArP: 2.91%/2.62%
    500 ArP: 3.66%/3.3%

    For a fully debuffed boss (SA x5, FF, CoR) the increase from ArP is:
    100 ArP: 0.79%/0.71%
    200 ArP: 1.59%/1.42%
    300 ArP: 2.41%/2.15%
    400 ArP: 3.24%/2.89%
    500 ArP: 4.08%/3.64%
    Last edited by Amedis; 06-26-2008 at 11:54 AM.
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    What about Kaelthas? He's not on there!

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    Dude no offense, but its great you are contributing so much to mmowned but 90% of your threads are copy and paste of other peoples guides. Sure you are doing great by posting them and giving reference but A) y not great one thread and put all the links to the sites (iv seen like 5 threads by you in the past week or more).

    Also its kind of just like riding the gravy train, using other peoples work to get rep. I'm not trying to flame just pointing it out.

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    Originally Posted by thief71 View Post
    What about Kaelthas? He's not on there!
    L2 read Kael'thas is on there, his armor value is 6200

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    good post, thx

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    uh Amedis is one of the original mods and members of the site... and linking guides from other places and giving credit where it due is much better than the leecher alternative of changing the title and claiming it as his own.

    +rep for the find and sharing it

    does he look like he is trying to get rep? lawl a guide is a guide regardless its not something that is subliminally forcing people to +rep him. he is at least furthering this section a little more that you just did.

    just because something is posted doesnt mean it wasnt with intentions of rep. you should be in the shoutbawx a little more.

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    Originally Posted by Unholy[S]haman View Post
    Dude no offense, but its great you are contributing so much to mmowned but 90% of your threads are copy and paste of other peoples guides. Sure you are doing great by posting them and giving reference but A) y not great one thread and put all the links to the sites (iv seen like 5 threads by you in the past week or more).

    Also its kind of just like riding the gravy train, using other peoples work to get rep. I'm not trying to flame just pointing it out.
    I like the rep, but thats not why I post them. Im contributing to the community, by providing detailed information about class and game mechanics. Alot of people have found them useful, so I will continue to do it.

    To comment on why I dont post the links .. The idea is to keep people on OUR SITE, not someone elses. By posting the info here, this ensures we have members, and our members get the info.
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