Switching between DragonWrath / Ti'tahk which result probably to increasing your DPS

[Mantycore]

Today i have discovered something which can be interresting for people who have both DragonWrath and Ti'tahk.


I just tried with my warlock to cast some dots without DW equiped. After placing the dots, i have equiped my DragonWrath and i have discovered that his effect worked, whereas i didn't put the dot when the staff was in my hand.

I also asked a friend who got Ti'tahk (the staff from Madness) to try to activated the haste proc, and then put the staff in his bags. It resulted that the proc was still on him during the time remaining.


So my idea his that if you have the 2 staff you can use them wisely by switching between them. For exemple When you want to refresh your dots you can equip Ti'tahk, and then when you have to cast bolt you can switch back to your Dragon Wrath.
With a bit of luck your Ti'tahk will activate his proc.
It could be usefull too if your weapon have more spell power than your Dragon Warth, because if you use your dots with the most powered staff, your dots will still have this power, and when you will switch back to DW your dots will also have the chance to proc twice.

I imagine that Ti'tahk works with an internal CD, so it can be also interresting to switch between your weapons only when this CD end. I bet that this idea is better than my previous one


But there is just one thing that you can don't like: when you switch between your weapons, this will count as a GCD, so you will have to wait 1sec everytime you will switch. So you will switch twice to go back to DragonWrath, it will result to loose 2 GCD...

I don't think it's a normal game mechanic, because if you compare weapon with a trinket, when you try to use a trinket and move it back to your bag, the effect of the trinket will stop, but for the weapon it will persist until the end of the proc.

[sykotic]

Been this way for lots of weapons.

Another example is the polearm from madness. Wait until you have the proc, then are free to swap to any weapon.

Along with the GCD you also reset your weapon swing timer which can be fairly major for melee.

[niguz]

Dot damage is calculated each tick; switching from high spellpower to lower spellpower will make the next tick lower.
Switching proc items starts the ICD - so if you have an item with an ICD of 120s and you equip it, the first proc can only occur after 120s. Also switching weapons during combat gives you one GCD and resets your swingtimer.

[kaldonir]

Dot damage is calculated each tick; switching from high spellpower to lower spellpower will make the next tick lower.

Nope, Sir.
DoT Damage and haste is calculated when casting that DoT. The only effect that is refreshed dynamically is the crit chance of the DoT.

[cpjohn]

Dot damage is calculated each tick; switching from high spellpower to lower spellpower will make the next tick lower.
Switching proc items starts the ICD - so if you have an item with an ICD of 120s and you equip it, the first proc can only occur after 120s. Also switching weapons during combat gives you one GCD and resets your swingtimer.

Please link the source of this?
I would really wanna look into it..

[Vandra]

Nope, Sir.
DoT Damage and haste is calculated when casting that DoT. The only effect that is refreshed dynamically is the crit chance of the DoT.

Not anymore ;p

[LeetHaxor]

Someone in my guild already suggested this, it could be viable at the start of the fight, but that's all.

The reasoning behind this is that when you equip DTR, the ICD on Ti'tahk will be 45 seconds upon equipping it.

Thus, when you reequip Ti'tahk, you'd have to wait 45 seconds for the proc to go off again, making the op's suggestion quite useless.

[William88]

Dot damage is calculated each tick; switching from high spellpower to lower spellpower will make the next tick lower.
Switching proc items starts the ICD - so if you have an item with an ICD of 120s and you equip it, the first proc can only occur after 120s. Also switching weapons during combat gives you one GCD and resets your swingtimer.

[Dreamers]

only Crit is calculated on a per tick basis. SP and Haste are calculated at each application of a dot.

[biorpg]

[NO "THEORIES"] <-- A few pixels below the exploit section's link from parent forums, and also right above the list of topics within this section.
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From: Exploit Section Rules

6. Make sure you have tested your exploit thoroughly before posting it.

It just took me a whole 3 minutes(ok, maybe 2) to test if spell power had a dynamic effect on dots by casting devouring plague at a dummy with no weapon equipped and noting the damage after a couple ticks, and then equipped my weapon for the several remaining ticks - they did not change at all. Also, if you had not noticed that your madness staff wasn't procing for a whole 45 seconds after swapping to it, that tells me you did not actually test much of anything.

[ieatglueandstuff]

Nope, Sir.
DoT Damage and haste is calculated when casting that DoT. The only effect that is refreshed dynamically is the crit chance of the DoT.

No sir all dots are dynamic last to fall was FERAL BLEEDS ON HEROIC NEFARIAN

[kaldonir]

No sir all dots are dynamic last to fall was FERAL BLEEDS ON HEROIC NEFARIAN

Go to a training dummy and test it
Why else would you (as a moonkin) try to applicate your DoTs in an eclipse and with nature's grace active?
Just try it.

[kazuma123]

No sir all dots are dynamic last to fall was FERAL BLEEDS ON HEROIC NEFARIAN

Buffs on you WILL NOT update current dot's on a target they need to be refreshed, Bear in mind Haunt will refresh corruption thus adding ur updated stats to the corruption on the target. This is why sites like EJ say to refresh ur dots before heroism/BL/Volcanic potions fall off so u get extra uptime on the damage boost. Also drain soul will do just the same as haunt with the added addition of UA being refreshed (obviously sub 25% target hp)

[Mantycore]

As i said the damage deal with the gear you are wearing when you put the dot on the target will remain the same until you refresh them. You can try yourself, put a dot with your weapon, then remove your weapon on your bag. The damage of the dot will be the same that at the begining.

I'm a warlock playing demonology, and the proc from Ti'tahk could be usefull for my pull when i use all my CD, and moreover somebody said me that my Doomguard will absorb my haste too (i'm not totaly sure for this), that means it could result in a large increase of DPS.
Note that this is the first time for casters that they can switch weapons during the fight to increase their DPS.

ps: i have tested yersterday to switch back my staff after that my enchant proc'ed, and my enchant was still here like from the buff of haste. Actualy i don't have twice weapon with the same enchant, but maybe it's possible to make proc twice the same enchant on different weapon, if somebody have the possibility to test this and write his results here
If this works, switching weapon will be usefull for a proc haste and a twice enchant proc + DragonWrath effect.

[nona]

ugh, this debate again…
as a warlock, I've done extensive research on this subject, and now I have to clarify things every time I come across it.

I'll try to put it simply:

1. dots take a snapshot of your stats (haste, crit, spell power) when applied; their ticks/damage are calculated regarding that snapshot and will not change until the dot is re-applied with different stats. No amount of personal buffs gained during the dots duration will change its effect.
2. however, dots do update dynamically with debuffs on their target, such as critical mass or curse of elements.


Anyhow, this is in no way an exploit, just a use of ingame mechanics. Swapping weapons exists since vanilla and rogues opening with daggers for Ambush and switching to a slow MH for SS.