3.1 DK Exploit, Improved Presence Bug

[acetoxy]

Sorry if it is a repost.

Short version: I discovered on PTR that if you have an Improved Presence talent on your spec, and then swap specs using the Dual Spec feature, you maintain your improved Presence until the next time you cahnge presences. As long as you stay in your current Presence, you'll have your old spec's bonus. This works for everything except the 4% heal from Improved Blood Presence (it does work for the 10% extra healing taken while in Blood Presence though).

How to exploit:

So let's say you're playing an unholy spec. You think to yourself, "Gosh, switching between Unholy Presence and Frost Presence is *hard* work. I wish I could have a super-duper Blood Presence that i could just use all the time.

Well now you can! Make your primary spec an unholy PvP spec with 0 points into Improved Unholy Presence (because it won't work even if you put points into it). Use those 2 points on something else.

Make your secondary spec some *garbage* spec that includes both Improved Frost Presence and Improved Blood Presence. None of the other talents mattter, spend them randomly.

Now, go into your secondary spec. Switch to any presence, then switch to Blood Presence. Both of your Improved Presences are now active on that BLood Presence. Now swap back to your primary spec and *stay* in Blood Presence. You can join arena. Log in/out. Do whatever you want, and You will have blood presence in unholy PvP spec that gives you 10% more healing taken and 10% more HP -- eliminating the need for you to ever swap to Frost Presence for defense. The effect will remain active until you change presences -- so avoid doing it, or you'll have to swap to your secondary spec and reactivate both improved presences again.

You can combine any 2 presences you want and have them active in any build you want doing this. So if you'd rather have 15% more Run SPeed and 10% hp on your Blood presence, then do Imp Unholy + Imp Frost on your secondary build.

You could be an unholy tank in Frost presence with 2% extra damage reduction (from improved frost) and 10% extra healing taken. You could be a Frost Dk with 10% more hp (without spending the points for it) and 10% more healing taken while in Unholy Presence.

The choice is yours.

As I said, the only bonus which does not remain active after the spec swap is the 4% of damage done as healing from Improved Blood Presence. All 5 other bonuses from the 3 talents will work provided you're in the correct presence to receive those bonuses. Remember, you can't just swap specs, you have to swap specs, then swap presences, then swap back.


Knock yourselves out.

[kingj56]

nice one bro ive been waiting for some exploits but blizz can neva get their shit straight

[Cradin]

Proof?
:worthless:

[bighandxyz]

bigger question is do you maintain the presence buff after you zone in to another dungeon? relogging? etc?

[drano]

Proof?
:worthless:

Ya know, I cant seem to think of a way this can be proven with any form of pics.

[avatar88343]

Long time leecher, first time contributer. I tested this with Improved Unholy Presence and it works. Friend ran alongside me and I ran much faster than him while in blood presence. Good find!

I was going to use Frost + Blood but I am DPS and I don't want the added threat from Frost.

Well, not a contribution, but i'm at least making myself helpful

[Gruju]

Nice find, will test later tonight

[Fireblast]

i need more proof.

[avatar88343]

Step 1: In 2nd spec with improved frost presence.

Step 2: In 1st spec with blood/UH build. If you notice, the HP stays the same (actually, priest buffed me right as I did that so it went up lol. It does work though)


I also noticed that if you get both improved Frost and improved Unholy, when you switch back, you will keep both. 15% run speed, 10% faster rune cooldown, 10% more health, and 2% less damage. This really is an amazing find!

[lawlocaust]

Honestly? I don't think this really *Requires* pics. If you're not a DK, it's useless to you, if you ARE a DK, and you have dual spec, you can try it out anyway.

Not a bad find if it works though.

[smoke213]

Yeah just tried it, works.

[ThatModGuy]

Nice one dude!

[MasterGold]

Hehe, good for my DK in progress

[Bangable]

Working as intended:

Blood Aura: Replaced with Improved Blood Presence. This allows the death knight to keep the healing from damage done bonus of Blood Presence in any presence, and increases healing received while in Blood Presence.

Frost Aura: Replaced with Improved Frost Presence. Allows the deathknight to keep the health bonus of Frost Presence in any presence, and decreases damage taken while in Frost Presence.

Unholy Aura: Replaced with Improved Unholy Presence. Allows the death knight to keep the movement speed bonus of Unholy Presence in any presence, and increases rune regeneration rate while in Unholy Presence.

- If I understand your thread right, this is what you mean will happen if you swap between speccs, or do you mean that the improved presence will stay even tho not specced in it anymore ?

If im wrong, please ignore this post.

(Taken from the 3.1 Patch Notes @ wowhead.com)

[avatar88343]

Working as intended:

Blood Aura: Replaced with Improved Blood Presence. This allows the death knight to keep the healing from damage done bonus of Blood Presence in any presence, and increases healing received while in Blood Presence.

Frost Aura: Replaced with Improved Frost Presence. Allows the deathknight to keep the health bonus of Frost Presence in any presence, and decreases damage taken while in Frost Presence.

Unholy Aura: Replaced with Improved Unholy Presence. Allows the death knight to keep the movement speed bonus of Unholy Presence in any presence, and increases rune regeneration rate while in Unholy Presence.

- If I understand your thread right, this is what you mean will happen if you swap between speccs, or do you mean that the improved presence will stay even tho not specced in it anymore ?

If im wrong, please ignore this post.

(Taken from the 3.1 Patch Notes @ wowhead.com)

It is the latter. If spec two has improved Frost/Unholy and spec 1 doesn't, you are able to not only keep the effects of the improved presence, you are also able to stack up to 2 of the together for free.