Mutilate: A guide to PvE dps.

[blackdahliamurder]

Hello all fellow Mutilate rogues (sword rogues even.]

-Do you like daggers over swords/maces/fists?
-Are you a beginner at raiding with a dagger rogue and need help with speccing/circles?
-Are you thinking of jumping over to the Mutilate way of play?

Then this guide is for you.


Step 1:


Speccing into Mutilate PvE:

Viable mutilate builds are:

1) 41/20/0 ~ My Choice:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
2) 41/20/0 ~ Mutilate full PvE.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
3) 41/20/0 ~Mutilate PvE with some PvP orientation.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Reason i did not include 41/0/20 Assasination/Subtlety build is because they are lacking damage.

It has been said over and over again that Opportunity is waaaaay < Off Hand Specialization.

So even if you want to have a PvP/PvE hybrid you will be getting 41/20/0 .

Step 2:

Understanding Mutilate.
What is Mutilate? It is some sort of Backstab but with great differences overally.

Similarity to Backstab:
-Both cost 60 energy.
-Both have the 'must be behind your target' as a prerequisite in order to attack.
-Both do more damage than Hemorrhage and Sinister Strike per special attack.
(meaning a backstab or mutilate will normally hit more than a sinister strike hit and crit more than a sinister strike crit.]
Differences with Backstab:
-Backstab started to decline in Raids and Mutilate has become better than Backstab Combat PvE as of 2.2
-Mutilate has a 50% damage bonus when target has a poison debuff on it. That means it must have the poison on it in it's debuff slot. So instant poison or anesthetic poison won't give you the 50% damage buff since these poisons don't give a poison debuff on the target.
That means you should ALWAYS have the target poisoned before mutilating or else you're gimping your dps,and you waste a good,60 energy.

-Mutilate has a different critical strike system implied to it.
It is considered as TWO hits since you attack with both daggers so it has 3 chances of meelee damage:
HIT
1 WEAPON CRIT
DOUBLE CRIT

Step 3:
Playing Mutilate in PvE:
WARNING: Some boss encounters are poison immune. What does that mean? You're pretty much screwed, but
a)they are seldom
b)Blizzard stated it's trying to fix this issue (classic Blizzard imo doh,at least we didn't get a working as intended)



What poisons do i use?
2x DEADLY POISON always is the way for me.
Don't mind others it's the only thing you've got for PvE Mutilate except for Instant Poison (and in general PvE to be honest)
The Raid Itself. WHADOIDO THEN?!?
Easy easy,don't be that fast.
Your classic rotation would be:
1st Circle:
Mutilate x2
Slice and Dice
2nd Circle:
Mutilate x2 (Shiv if 4 cp)
5 Points Rupture.
Rinse and repeat with some (if any) difference.
IT IS CRUCIAL THAT YOU HAVE EXPOSE WEAKNESS UP ALL THE TIME FOR THE DMG BONUS!
BUT I WANT TO SEE ZE BIG ENVENOAM CRITZ!
Who doesn't but wait..
a 5 point rupture tick will do MORE damage than a OMFG ENVENOM CRIT in any occasion anytime so you are good to not waste your deadly poison ticks on Envenoms.
YOU CAN BRING ON THE ENVENOM MADNESS THOUGH WHEN THE MOB IS -10% to 5% TO MAKE THINGS FASTER!

Hope you liked my guide. Cheers and top these charts my Mutilate brothers!


BlackDahliaMurder. <3
:wave:

[reveng_]

Using envenom is good. Why? Because you'll have DP ticks going for nothing, envenom is far greater then rupture, especially on poison immune mobs.
Your talent spec is also bad because you don't need Imp KS in a raid environment and MP just sucks balls.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft is a much better build, especially as many bosses have a snare which can be deadly.

*EDIT
The CP rotation also could use some tweaking, should go Ambush/Garrote(Garrote if mob is bleedable) > Muti > SnD > Muti > Muti(if you get RS) > Envenom. Rinse and repeat.

[blackdahliamurder]

Of course the talents specs are up to the person to change at will. MP kinda sucks balls but lots of rogues take it on end game enviroments so they dont get their poisons resisted that much. I for one dont like it that much. Imp ks is still something i got into the spec from haste,it is not that valuable etc. etc. but as i said tweak as you want i just wanted to give the overall idea of a 41/20/0.

The cp rotation now didn't contain an opener as that is up to whatever one thinks is better. i would go for a garrote but meh anyway.

But seriously check it around on the rogue forums,Rupture + DP ticks> Envenom anytime under any circumstance.
Your 2 points was right since i didn't want to get that particular but the envenom>rupture and dp ticks is bogus. Deadly poisons x5 ticks for some nice damage and it gets better coupled with a 5 point rupture. At least that's what that mutilate rogue that is over you at DMG charts is doing. =]
Having that said thanks for the feedback

[reveng_]

When I was mutilate, I used envenom on ~4CP, why? because I hate more then enough CP generation, and I'd more then usually get procs straight off, and I'd still have the 1 dot on. It takes 4 hits to get back to 5, usually less if I add a Muti in there.

[SomethingCool525]

All I can say is .. Worst font choice ever.

[Alth]

Using envenom is good. Why? Because you'll have DP ticks going for nothing, envenom is far greater then rupture, especially on poison immune mobs.

You cannot even use envenom on poison immune mobs.. no dp stacks to use.

Good guide!

[reveng_]

Meant to say bleed immune ><

[Styla1204]

I prefer MH-> Instant Poison OH-> Deadly...OH stacks enough.

[Kubiatsu]

Main-Hand = Windfury
Off-hand = Deadly

Why the hell would you use 2x Deadly when you can shiv? ^^

[klen]

if pve is player vs everything, why do you need a pve/pvp? isn't that worthless or did i read something wrong? lol

[Jag3r]

Player Vs Environment.

[blackdahliamurder]

Player Vs Environment.

idd.
Ok so changed the font and for the love of god,its a not a OH OK LEEMME PLAY YOUR ROGUE THEN type of guide,it just helps you start and get a grip on Mutilate... So be on topic please. ^^

[cripling]

ok why the hell do you want a DP on your main-hand when you could get WF
(100x better) and you got shiv? But seriously combat daggers > mutilate by faaaar. And envenom will do more dmg then a 5 point rupture :S

[blackdahliamurder]

ok why the hell do you want a DP on your main-hand when you could get WF
(100x better) and you got shiv? But seriously combat daggers > mutilate by faaaar. And envenom will do more dmg then a 5 point rupture :S

Is WF a poison? I am stating what POISONS you should use,not general enhancements like grinding stone , WF etc... let's say you are in a karazhan without a shaman..? oh wait.
Combat daggers is not superior by faaaaar. they're equal imo and trust me loads of people will agree with it.
An envenom will take your 5pt deadly poison ticks + a rupture=leading to damage loss. learn your class better before trying to outwit anyone.


1) be on topic and read what i say??
2)Why the f**k should i care about what is better? is that constructive criticism about a guide for Mutilate? It is a guide for MUTILATE,thread topic isn't a poll about mutilate vs combat daggers..
......
seriously this is as serious as like say replying: 'lol you got 'x' word wrong noob'.. sorry for getting a bit mad but people you are given a horse and you either look it in the teeth,or dont like the fact it has a brown colored tail.

/sigh.

[blackdahliamurder]

I prefer MH-> Instant Poison OH-> Deadly...OH stacks enough.

yeah it's viable as well