toc 10m hm vs 25m

[nickaburke]

so the way trial of the crusader has been set up the 10m hard mode loot is equivalent to that of 25 m normal loot. In my guild we down 25m toc weekly with our dps all between 4-7k. The only struggles weve come across have been anub because of the immense amount of dps needed to down him ( approximately 20% per immurge) that being said and if any dps or clothies get poison adds stacked above 5 on them it can turn to a wipe very quickly. Although we manage to get through 25m fairly easily, putting the slightest dent in 10m toc hard mode seems to require everyone in the raid to be t9 + geared for rewards that are the same if not worse than 25m. The most difficult overpowered part of 10m hard mode toc is the faction champions. in order to get through this stage it seems that full relentless gladiator gear is needed, i have yet to see anyone complete faction champs on hard mode.
so far it seems that toc hard modes are simply badge runs because no one can get past faction champs.
i think blizz needs to patch this or it will never be completed on any realm

[Hofan]

Go shoot your face, you're the reason pve is retarded now

[nickaburke]

Go shoot your face, you're the reason pve is retarded now

thanks alot? seriously have you run toc before or do you not know what youre talking about

[haxxie]

Can't get past faction champions on HC? They are way to easy IMO!

[john.future]

10 man hard mode Faction Champions isnt hard, its doable in 2-3 try, if you lucky and have good setup its a oneshot... Key is to dispel everything And have a tank to not respec dps for that fight, just be on a pet (hunter's or lock's) and dps it, so their healer mainly will focus on healing that pet. Last week somehow one of our warr tank managed to have most of them focusing on him, he took 2.5x more dmg then others in the raid.

25man is harder tho but its nothing compared to Twin Valkyrs where if you take more then one oppisite colored orb you die, when its explodes you take 12k

[haxxie]

Twin valks can be a serious pain in the ass if you get a bad spot to stand at or if people just screw's up :'(

[gort]

Twin Valks is not hard as long as you have your positioning solidified. Have mobile soakers on the outside perimeter -- holy priests and resto druids are good at this.

The twins abilities function exactly like Freya's. Meaning, they will not cast the same ability until all 4 options have been exhausted. Keep this in mind, as each ability comes around, you know which abilities are remaining on their options table before they start from scratch.

AKA:

If you have gotten both surges, you now know that the next two abilities are guaranteed to be shields (but you don't know the order of the shields).

Hope this helps.

[VictoRo]

ToC10 heroic should be one shotted, end of story.
Faction Champions are easy, and no you do not need full t9 to do that place, Tribute to Insanity was just pugged 3 hours ago on my realm with a few alts and such. You need to know how to play your class and what to do against the different classes. When we do Tribute to Insanity noone even uses PvP gear, so yes it is doable.

[Hassliebe]

i found 10m toc hm not too hard, yet challenging... most fun instance there is atm

[Kevlan85]

ToC 25 man Heroic has been completed without wipes

[pythonmsh]

Pve sucks now it used to actually be hard in bc / pre bc

[deenut]

maybe your healers are healing too much at during swarm leech @ anubarak?

[Pietje]

We had 38 attempts left on our very first night of ToC10 HM, this was also the first night that we did Anub on normal. Nothing hard, tho Anub 25hm is rather hard.

[Trollblod]

so the way trial of the crusader has been set up the 10m hard mode loot is equivalent to that of 25 m normal loot. In my guild we down 25m toc weekly with our dps all between 4-7k. The only struggles weve come across have been anub because of the immense amount of dps needed to down him ( approximately 20% per immurge) that being said and if any dps or clothies get poison adds stacked above 5 on them it can turn to a wipe very quickly. Although we manage to get through 25m fairly easily, putting the slightest dent in 10m toc hard mode seems to require everyone in the raid to be t9 + geared for rewards that are the same if not worse than 25m. The most difficult overpowered part of 10m hard mode toc is the faction champions. in order to get through this stage it seems that full relentless gladiator gear is needed, i have yet to see anyone complete faction champs on hard mode.
so far it seems that toc hard modes are simply badge runs because no one can get past faction champs.
i think blizz needs to patch this or it will never be completed on any realm

I've done whole ToC 25, even got the A Tribute to Insanity.
It's easy, just get competent people.

[Derai]

so the way trial of the crusader has been set up the 10m hard mode loot is equivalent to that of 25 m normal loot. In my guild we down 25m toc weekly with our dps all between 4-7k. The only struggles weve come across have been anub because of the immense amount of dps needed to down him ( approximately 20% per immurge) that being said and if any dps or clothies get poison adds stacked above 5 on them it can turn to a wipe very quickly. Although we manage to get through 25m fairly easily, putting the slightest dent in 10m toc hard mode seems to require everyone in the raid to be t9 + geared for rewards that are the same if not worse than 25m. The most difficult overpowered part of 10m hard mode toc is the faction champions. in order to get through this stage it seems that full relentless gladiator gear is needed, i have yet to see anyone complete faction champs on hard mode.
so far it seems that toc hard modes are simply badge runs because no one can get past faction champs.
i think blizz needs to patch this or it will never be completed on any realm

Other than Anub, 10M heroic is about a million times easier than 25M heroic :S

All u need to beat faction champions is good cc and no dum fuks who aoe.