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    jamesgreen's Avatar Knight-Lieutenant
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    Strath, I only see two completed auctions for tiger loot cards. the only thing suspicious that i see is that in both auctions he is offering his wow account to the winner. he could easily haev two cards, but he cant give his account to both winners. what i dont understand, is why would he use his real email address and phone number if he was looking to rip people off? although this is the internet, there still are federal laws protecting people from this type of wire fraud.

    the only thing that would really make sense imo is that this guy isnt robert norris at all and that someone gained access to his paypal account?

    Unscratched spectral tiger card for sale
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    Incoming giant wall of text with the proof of this guy being a scammer.

    Here is our MSN chat log
    brian widner says
    ok, post on your thread, selling the pectral tiger loot card to worldboss for $150
    and let me have your paypal
    once its posted ill send the money
    robert norris says
    paypal is [email protected]
    brian widner says
    let me know when its on the thread
    robert norris says
    posted
    brian widner says
    sent
    you can just scratch and give me the code in here
    robert norris says
    ok checking
    why does it say pending?
    brian widner says
    usually takes up to 5 minutes to fully go through
    robert norris says
    says pending til aug 17th one sec
    brian widner says
    it shows completed on mine
    robert norris says
    what paypal email did you send it form?
    from?

    PayPal balance: $145.35 USD
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    Available balance in USD (primary): $0.00 USD
    Pending balance: $145.35 USD
    Total balance (including available and pending amounts): $145.35 USD


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    brian widner says
    [email protected]
    there is the receipt picture
    robert norris says
    i see that it says it was pending for some reason one sec
    brian widner says
    you just refunded it
    robert norris says
    ya it said it was pending til aug 17th on my end
    resent request with invoice and guarantee included in invoice
    brian widner says
    can you put this in the description instead of just good
    s
    This is for the spectral tiger loot card code. I do not care about the physical card just the code which gives me the two spectral tiger mount in world of warcraft. As per this url http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/mmo-...spectral-tiger
    robert norris says
    k
    brian widner says
    k sent
    robert norris says
    k sec
    some reason its putting a hold on your payment till aug 17th sec ill show ya
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    robert norris says
    im gonna issue a refund and get my account fixed with paypal real fast, then we can redo this bud. sorry paypal is being retarded right now
    brian widner says
    whats the payment hold policy?
    because it shows my payment as completed
    robert norris says
    says somethin bout not being verified on my end, so im getting it verified real fast. gimme 30 mins and we can do this. gonna call paypal and fix my account
    brian widner says
    thats prob what the confirm receipt button is then
    I bet once I confirm that I have the code it releases it
    getting verified takes a few days
    robert norris says
    oh ok im not sure wanna do it that way?
    k i got it verified and upgraded to premier. but yes i think u gotta hit confirm since its a digital code
    so ill resend invoice with what u wanted on it, send payment confirm, and ill send code over. your still protected under paypal since its digital, as you already know
    k resent
    brian widner says
    paid
    robert norris says
    k think ya have to hit the confirm button thing as it still shows pending.
    so im gonna send the code and please hit confirm when i do ty
    that work for you?
    brian widner says
    yeah
    robert norris says
    k heres the code
    and im checkin to see if ya confirmed reciept. please dont screw me over
    brian widner says
    again as i showed you earlier, its not in my interest to scam anyone over a couple hundred bucks
    not worth our reputation as sellers
    robert norris says
    k here ya go
    KLZ45-IYPLG-27AJB-54KMP-AZ753
    please confirm with paypal to please so i see money is processing
    ty
    brian widner says
    confirmed
    says code isnt valid
    robert norris says
    code isnt invalid
    make sure to type it out not copy paste
    KLZ45-IYPLG-27AJB-54KMP-AZ753
    and still shows pending til aug 17th
    did you get it to work this time?
    brian widner says
    nope still saying invlaid even when hand typed
    robert norris says
    k let me double check to make sure im reading it correctly
    brian widner says
    ok
    robert norris says
    KIS45-LYPLG-27AJB-54KMP-AZ753
    had a few mistyped
    try it now
    brian widner says
    still invalid
    robert norris says
    should be nothing wrong with the code its brand new
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    robert norris says
    ill go ahead and issue a refund. i believe you. like you said you have no reason to lie to me
    ill call uotcg and see wth is going on with it.
    and i have no reason to risk my rep over a few hundred bucks either. issuing a refund now, ill call the tcg place and try to figure out how a brand new card is showing invalid
    ill get ahold of ya shortly and let ya know what they said
    brian widner says
    i have never seen one with letters before
    only numbers
    robert norris says
    ive never seen one period till now lol so i dk
    brian widner says
    scan it?
    robert norris says
    kk
    brian widner says
    maybe you are failing at typing it correctly as bad as I failed at the captcha on the last attempt lol
    robert norris says
    haha
    brian widner says
    failed at it twice lol
    robert norris says
    shes scannin 4 ya gimme a sec
    brian widner says
    kk
    its amazing how slow scanners used to be compared to now isnt it?
    i remember the first one I had lol
    robert norris says
    hehe ours is an old *b4r0
    sorry baby unplugged it lol
    ya its an old brothers style scanner printer from my work
    gimme bout 3 mins and itll be ready for you bud
    brian widner says
    lol k
    robert norris says
    she wants to know if ya want the scan with my name by it again ?
    brian widner says
    nah just so i can see the code
    and see if maybe you are typing wrong or something
    robert norris says
    paypal is callin you btw to confirm that ur buying a digital code
    and two i probally am typin it wrong i dont have glasses
    so they are clearing up the hold problem as well. they said from now on do it as service not goods
    brian widner says
    kk
    update on the scan?
    robert norris says
    ya shes finishin it
    paypal wont release funds til 17th btw
    brian widner said (5:31 PM)
    well once we get the code working we can do a refund and reinvoice as service
    i mean you can see i wont scam you as I have already sent the money
    brian widner said (5:36 PM)
    done scanning yet?
    brian widner said (5:38 PM)
    you may want to take a look at your thread....
    robert norris says
    thats ok i really dont care what people say about me
    brian widner says
    mkay
    got the scan yet?
    robert norris says
    i got logs to prove i wasnt ripping anyone off lol
    and yes i got it scanned, and i issued refund as per what paypal told me todo. and theres nothing wrong with the code, i just havent typed it correctly to you as the pending balance was freaking me out
    brian widner says
    I dont care about them honestly, just letting you know while I waited on the scan
    the pending balance was because you arent verified
    we have played this song and dance for an hour now
    robert norris says
    no it was because the invoice was as goods instead of service thats what paypal said to
    brian widner says
    its not a service, its goods
    robert norris says
    k if i was rippin ya off or tryin to scam ya would i issue a refund?
    but they deem online goods as a service not as physical goods as there is no shipping
    brian widner says
    ok well I have done my part several times and sent the money
    you decieved me with a bad code
    robert norris says
    yes i know you have and sorry but i got scared when it said pending
    brian widner says
    so at this point we have 3 choices
    robert norris says
    k
    brian widner says
    1. resend the onvoice as goods, as soon as the code works I will confirm and you will ge tthe money it wont be pending
    2. you can send the correct code, and when it works I will pay as a service
    3. We can walk away and all this will be added to your thread
    robert norris says
    or how bout option 4. go with your original idea. i send an invoice as service for half the amount$75 you pay then i send the correct code, and once you verify its valid you send other half
    brian widner says
    at this point no
    payapl offers zero protection on partial payments
    and I am extremely leery at this point
    robert norris says
    they offer full protection when it comes to digital you should know that
    brian widner says
    when it is marked as goods
    not as digital services
    robert norris says
    alright you win
    brian widner says
    just tell me what you want to do of those 3 options, at this point im rather frustrated it has been an hour and twenty minutes since the first payment I sent. I would ideally like this transaction to be completed, and I will refute all the others and plus rep you
    robert norris says
    kk
    doin option 2ish
    code is in invoice as well
    code in invoice please send payment
    brian widner says
    invalid code
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    brian widner says
    uploaded screenshoot
    robert norris says
    that code isnt invalid
    secondly payment not sent. let me send u the scan then
    brian widner says
    57624-81020-47359-10768-00267
    invalid, look at the screenshot i just sent
    you can see it typed in there
    robert norris says
    k im not goin through this . i know its a valid code. 57524-81020-47359-70768-00267
    there
    should be right this time
    two different people have checked it
    payment hasnt even been made either so scam me if ya like idc at this point. i sent you the code
    brian widner says
    you just typed a different code
    which is also invalid
    I told you i would send the payment as service once i got a working code

    Here are screenshots of bad codes


    Here you can see where he lists a code on paypal....reference it to the end of the msn chat he gives a different code


    100% scammer do not send him your money. Reporting to mods, as well as paypal, those of you who bought auctions do the same with ebay and I would actually contact the authorities if I were you as it is a federal crime to commit fraud over the internet and the ebay listings do in fact make it legit fraud.

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    He refuses to use skype (Cant delete message history) and my yahoo IM has been deleted. and yeah, heres a link to the one i won.

    Unscratched Spectral Tiger Loot card w free maxxed account/gold | eBay

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    How would I go about contacting the authorities? P.S. The first code he linked you, was the same one he gave me (invalid). And TCG codes ALWAYS contain numbers & letters, will be pressing charges .

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    Originally Posted by Strath View Post
    How would I go about contacting the authorities? P.S. The first code he linked you, was the same one he gave me (invalid). And TCG codes ALWAYS contain numbers & letters, will be pressing charges .
    I have had several with only numbers oddly. As far as contacting authorities most local PD's have either a number or someone who handles internet fraud.

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    Mod said no copy and paste and to SS so here there all full conversation to add to the above







    Last edited by Worldboss; 07-27-2012 at 06:50 PM.

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    OOOOh. I remember now. Older cards should have numbers, as newer ones should have numbers and letters. something with the conversion from UDE to their personal brand.

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    +rep for the help in the investigation worldboss.

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    Originally Posted by Strath View Post
    OOOOh. I remember now. Older cards should have numbers, as newer ones should have numbers and letters. something with the conversion from UDE to their personal brand.
    Ah that makes sense, the only ones I have ever used were upper deck. Thanks for the rep, I went into it leery because of your post and the price, and ensured to drag everything out long enough to ensure there is more than sufficient information to get him banned.

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    Call local authroities if you are TRULY persistent on catching this guy.

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    I want to see him post again. PayPal is all about the buyer

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    I'm gona call this guy tomorrow, (He gave me his home phone) and tell him either he refunds us all (if any other payed already) or We're gona pursue it w/ the police.

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    Originally Posted by Strath View Post
    I'm gona call this guy tomorrow, (He gave me his home phone) and tell him either he refunds us all (if any other payed already) or We're gona pursue it w/ the police.
    I never paid, made him send the invoice as goods which made the payment pending until I confirmed reciept of it since I did it outside of ebay

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