[RULE]Do NOT give reputation for completed trades - use the TRADE FEEDBACK instead!

[KuRIoS]

well owned core is going to hell... good to hear.. admins trying to monetize the website is fine, FORCING users to spend money is not.

I hope you guys reconsider this.

"Pay us money to show that the guy doesnt scam" - "Any accusations will be seen as whining"

No one is forcing you to do anything, we just DONT want to see people repping eachother after trading. We litterally have members who have gained legendary title from trading, which is not what we want. Reputation should not be given because of money.

i like the idea of the trade feedback.. i just dont like the part where u have to remove all the rep given in the past even if it was about trades. anyways it is still up to the admins they will decide. if it have to be remove then be it. i dont like it but doesnt mean i cant accept it

No one is talking about removing all rep.

Can we still give rep as normal on free trades?

I think the thread is pretty clear on that.. NO!

dont mean to be rude, but I do a lot of business here-- my rep is how I show people I am a legitimate person. If it were removed I would have to reconsider the amount of money I spend on corecoins ($150 a month probably) and my donor sub

That would be your choice, reputation means nothing in regards to who can be trusted for trading and that will be said by all staff in trade section as well.

i personally think tat it would be nice to have a cooloff period of maybe 24hrs or so before ya guys actually start to enforce the implementation of the new rules. reason being tat most of us might be unaware of the rule yet. Some of the other buyers aint even aware of the implementation of the new rules until i told them abt it. it would actually take some time for words to spread

you will notice that there is no rep button in trade sections anymore :P


I wish that you could stop whining against these changes and see the positive in it instead. You actually get a tool to show that you AS A TRADER can be trusted, just like merchant sites have. I also wish that you would stop jumping to conclusions, some of you say "buhoo dont remove my rep, I earned hard to get it", well if it was earned through other ways than trading, then you shouldnt be worried. REPUTATION never will be and never was a currency.

We do get that giving reputation was the only thing you could do to show that you were happy that the trade went through. We didnt have a real alternative to traders, so we allowed it. However, now we do and we wont allow it anymore.
In regards to removing reputation, no reputation will be removed without me contacting the member and could it be that an arrangement could be done so some of it could be turned in to positive trade feedback? No 1 rep will not give 1 positive feedback, no I dont know how it will be done. But stop jumping to conclusions.

Lastly, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU to use corecoins, we are just making you aware of it with this thread.
We ARE FORCING YOU to NOT use reputation as a "thank you for a good trade" gesture.

[Dhoby]

No one is forcing you to do anything, we just DONT want to see people repping eachother after trading. We litterally have members who have gained legendary title from trading, which is not what we want. Reputation should not be given because of money.



No one is talking about removing all rep.


I think the thread is pretty clear on that.. NO!


That would be your choice, reputation means nothing in regards to who can be trusted for trading and that will be said by all staff in trade section as well.



you will notice that there is no rep button in trade sections anymore :P


I wish that you could stop whining against these changes and see the positive in it instead. You actually get a tool to show that you AS A TRADER can be trusted, just like merchant sites have. I also wish that you would stop jumping to conclusions, some of you say "buhoo dont remove my rep, I earned hard to get it", well if it was earned through other ways than trading, then you shouldnt be worried. REPUTATION never will be and never was a currency.

We do get that giving reputation was the only thing you could do to show that you were happy that the trade went through. We didnt have a real alternative to traders, so we allowed it. However, now we do and we wont allow it anymore.
In regards to removing reputation, no reputation will be removed without me contacting the member and could it be that an arrangement could be done so some of it could be turned in to positive trade feedback? No 1 rep will not give 1 positive feedback, no I dont know how it will be done. But stop jumping to conclusions.

Lastly, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU to use corecoins, we are just making you aware of it with this thread.
We ARE FORCING YOU to NOT use reputation as a "thank you for a good trade" gesture.

Thanks for the heads up

[lordangelo1019]

No one is forcing you to do anything, we just DONT want to see people repping eachother after trading. We litterally have members who have gained legendary title from trading, which is not what we want. Reputation should not be given because of money.



No one is talking about removing all rep.


I think the thread is pretty clear on that.. NO!


That would be your choice, reputation means nothing in regards to who can be trusted for trading and that will be said by all staff in trade section as well.



you will notice that there is no rep button in trade sections anymore :P


I wish that you could stop whining against these changes and see the positive in it instead. You actually get a tool to show that you AS A TRADER can be trusted, just like merchant sites have. I also wish that you would stop jumping to conclusions, some of you say "buhoo dont remove my rep, I earned hard to get it", well if it was earned through other ways than trading, then you shouldnt be worried. REPUTATION never will be and never was a currency.

We do get that giving reputation was the only thing you could do to show that you were happy that the trade went through. We didnt have a real alternative to traders, so we allowed it. However, now we do and we wont allow it anymore.
In regards to removing reputation, no reputation will be removed without me contacting the member and could it be that an arrangement could be done so some of it could be turned in to positive trade feedback? No 1 rep will not give 1 positive feedback, no I dont know how it will be done. But stop jumping to conclusions.

Lastly, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU to use corecoins, we are just making you aware of it with this thread.
We ARE FORCING YOU to NOT use reputation as a "thank you for a good trade" gesture.

thanks for the explaining and appreciate your efforts. i know this is for the sake of everybody

[Razor33]

Can we still add or receive rep for helping people others ways ? Lets say for example i deal many times with a contact on my skype , and then for example some day after knowing each other better chating i teach him step by step how to use honorbuddy plus few others tricks , Can he rep me or reversal ?

[Smitten]

I personally see this as a good move.

Rep for contributing to the community and showing you're a legitimate trader should be kept separate.

May have to start looking into CoreCoins a bit more.

[DiamondStarFall]

you will notice that there is no rep button in trade sections anymore :P


I wish that you could stop whining against these changes and see the positive in it instead. You actually get a tool to show that you AS A TRADER can be trusted, just like merchant sites have. I also wish that you would stop jumping to conclusions, some of you say "buhoo dont remove my rep, I earned hard to get it", well if it was earned through other ways than trading, then you shouldnt be worried. REPUTATION never will be and never was a currency.

We do get that giving reputation was the only thing you could do to show that you were happy that the trade went through. We didnt have a real alternative to traders, so we allowed it. However, now we do and we wont allow it anymore.
In regards to removing reputation, no reputation will be removed without me contacting the member and could it be that an arrangement could be done so some of it could be turned in to positive trade feedback? No 1 rep will not give 1 positive feedback, no I dont know how it will be done. But stop jumping to conclusions.

Lastly, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU to use corecoins, we are just making you aware of it with this thread.
We ARE FORCING YOU to NOT use reputation as a "thank you for a good trade" gesture.

no one else will be infracted without the rep button

will stay tune till everything is being finalized

[KuRIoS]

Can we still add or receive rep for helping people others ways ? Lets say for example i deal many times with a contact on my skype , and then for example some day after knowing each other better chating i teach him step by step how to use honorbuddy plus few others tricks , Can he rep me or reversal ?

He can, what we dont want is rep after a trade. Like "Thank you for a good trade" "Outstanding seller" etc etc.

I personally see this as a good move.

Rep for contributing to the community and showing you're a legitimate trader should be kept separate.

May have to start looking into CoreCoins a bit more.

that is the thought! We used to have a scamming section, for ingame tricks(it was intended for), and we have many users who gained rep in that section. Which is the exact opposite to trade section feedback
and in all honesty.. 5000 corecoins are 5usd .. so that means a hundred trades if you use our example from my second post in this thread.

no one else will be infracted without the rep button

will stay tune till everything is being finalized

:P People will go to lengths to do weird stuff that we dont want. :P

[XGamerX]

I am fine with all of this TBH, I just dont want any of my rep removed (even tho most of it isnt from trade section)

I think u should go forward with this.. but leave current rep alone

[Nolixz]

Well.. people will still exchange reputation after trades i think. All they have to do is give rep to another thread unrelated to the trade section?

[HI5]

Well.. people will still exchange reputation after trades i think. All they have to do is give rep to another thread unrelated to the trade section?

Then they'll get infractions / bans ofc, that's why we have mods for.

Pure traders don't really have anything to contribute, so it will be easy to track them, and that's also the main reason we don't want rep in trade, since Trade ≠ contribution.


and to all others:
if some of you don't want to use premium sales - just ask ppl you trade with to leave feedback in your thread, that was always the best way to show you're legit trader - not your rep, so stop saying things like rep was the only way to show your credibility - it's not true
We've been saying that hundred of times already through all these years - rep doesn't tell you anything about your credibility as a trader.

If you want to have rep - contribute something towards the site, that's why we got rep for in the first place, and that's also the only reason we have the rep for.

Users who have not participated in posting exploits, bots / profiles or making guides (helping other users and the site) should never have access to Contrib, Elite and Legend lounge.
these sections and ranks were never intended for traders.

And stop whining about having to pay 5 bucks for premium trade that you can get 100 feedbacks on - its very small fee.

Trading here does not makes any of you contributor, it just makes you a trader - nothing more, nothing less.
If you donate to the site - it makes you donator.
If you trade with Coins - CoreCoins trader.
Not a Contributor

Be glad that you're allowed to advertise your sales here for free (yes, you can still make threads for free, you can still bump them for free and you can still get cash FOR FREE, we don't charge you anything for that), its basically the same as letting you open the shop and don't ask to pay the rent.
So no, we're not "money hungry" for giving you additional options to make your business better.
Nothing has changed for traders - you don't have to pay for anything. All the features we've implemented are additional , if you don't like them - don't use them.

And never forget that maintaining the site as big as OC costs a lot, but yet we still don't force anyone to pay for anything.
You'd be surprised if you see how many of us moderators donate money to the site, pay for name changes, tittle changes, thread changes, name glow and everything else, even thought we could have it for free.

[Shanerd92]

So, I could just use feedback in my threads over the trade feedback? Sounds like a much better idea to me, saves me money, still shows that I'm legit.
Edit: Also, if you didn't want people to get rep from trades, why don't you just make it so threads in trade forums can't get +repped? If that's possible.

[HI5]

So, I could just use feedback in my threads over the trade feedback? Sounds like a much better idea to me, saves me money, still shows that I'm legit.
Edit: Also, if you didn't want people to get rep from trades, why don't you just make it so threads in trade forums can't get +repped? If that's possible.

Shanerd, ofc, feel free to ask users to leave you feedback in your thread after a good trade, also if you have more than one thread (lets say one in D3 trrade and second one in WoW trade) feel free to link to your previous feedback's or quote them (that's also serves as a direct link to feedback post) in your other thread

You won't have to pay anything for that, the only difference is that this feedback is not confirmed by OC

and about rep - yes we did that already (the warning is mostly to users who want to find their way around it and rep in other threads pretending its not rep for trade - this will be punished with heavy rep removal + infractions or even bans, same as we always used to do with fake rep).

[Disphotic]

I must say I agree with this rule. Legendary was (is) something very few people would get. I remember way back when OwnedCore wasn't as big as now, and exploits etc was not fixed as quickly.

MMOwned was a exploit/guide site for WoW. I would think of the trading section as a "bonus", that has obviously changed since then.

But I don't think that if you run a powerleveling/raf gametime service, you should get elite/legendary out of very little work, compared to people who work hard for a very long time, writing guides, finding exploits, and sometimes not even get rep at all for it, while a gametime seller can simply say "dont forget to rep" after a single trade.

The private contrib/elite/legendary sections are there for a reason, and that's not trade related.

Edit: Although, I must disagree with KuRIos about rep not meaning anything in regards to trust :-P I have never had trouble with anyone with a contrib rank+, compared to leechers

[KuRIoS]

I must say I agree with this rule. Legendary was (is) something very few people would get. I remember way back when OwnedCore wasn't as big as now, and exploits etc was not fixed as quickly.

MMOwned was a exploit/guide site for WoW. I would think of the trading section as a "bonus", that has obviously changed since then.

But I don't think that if you run a powerleveling/raf gametime service, you should get elite/legendary out of very little work, compared to people who work hard for a very long time, writing guides, finding exploits, and sometimes not even get rep at all for it, while a gametime seller can simply say "dont forget to rep" after a single trade.

The private contrib/elite/legendary sections are there for a reason, and that's not trade related.

Edit: Although, I must disagree with KuRIos about rep not meaning anything in regards to trust :-P I have never had trouble with anyone with a contrib rank+, compared to leechers

We have high rep members who earned rep from posting how to scam... meaning I wouldnt trust them..

http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/memb...26-kurios.html <- Feedback from Jaerin.

[HI5]

I must say I agree with this rule. Legendary was (is) something very few people would get. I remember way back when OwnedCore wasn't as big as now, and exploits etc was not fixed as quickly.

MMOwned was a exploit/guide site for WoW. I would think of the trading section as a "bonus", that has obviously changed since then.

But I don't think that if you run a powerleveling/raf gametime service, you should get elite/legendary out of very little work, compared to people who work hard for a very long time, writing guides, finding exploits, and sometimes not even get rep at all for it, while a gametime seller can simply say "dont forget to rep" after a single trade.

The private contrib/elite/legendary sections are there for a reason, and that's not trade related.

Edit: Although, I must disagree with KuRIos about rep not meaning anything in regards to trust :-P I have never had trouble with anyone with a contrib rank+, compared to leechers

Well, remember that every stick has two ends, we had few legends banned for scamming, some of them just decided to quit OC and "sell" something big for xxxx $, then just disappeard.
We also had numerous cases of legend users being hacked in order to scam in trade section.
That's why as we always used to say - rep doesn't show if you're legit trader or not, it just shows that you like finding your way around things in games *cough*