[Beginner]What language is best to start with?

[TwistedFerret]

Hi, i have fiddled around with some java and c++, i even bought some books on them, but they really dont give much other than the key words and what they do, what im looking for is a language thats not so complex that a hello world program would be 300lines ;P, but something i could get the hang of quick and start programming something useful. I also get programmers block even though im not one really lol, i have a hard time coming up with ideas, since most of anything useful has already been done. Any suggestions? Thanks

[Thunderofnl]

I assume English... now ontopic: C++ is the best to start with. It's a language where you can code nearly anthing.
But if you are looking for something a bit easier try C# it's a bit easier then c++ (a bit more logical for my taste),

Regrads,

Thunderofnl

[TwistedFerret]

thanks for the input. will look into c#. any ideas as to what to start with? as in actual programming

[Thunderofnl]

Hello world?
Otherwise a calculator

[TwistedFerret]

lol, well im not completely noobish i have read the books and what not, i just dont really have any ideas as to what to program. it seems like there isnt much to do sometimes, but then i see someone else with their code and what it does, and i think about some things, but they dont usually pan out.

[Murlock.]

VB is pretty easy to get into, you can begin creating applications fairly quickly.
Also, even if it's been "done" doesn't mean you can't improve upon it :P
Just my two cents.

[ReidE96]

VB is pretty easy to get into

but is a really bad language to start with since you have a hard time progressing onto a language used in the real world. I should know, school gave us VB6. Bad times when we started on Haskell last year at uni.

Definitely start with C#. It's very easy to get going with, and it's not hard to move onto the likes of C++ or just plain ol' C after using it a while.

[The-Eradicator]

but is a really bad language to start with since you have a hard time progressing onto a language used in the real world. I should know, school gave us VB6. Bad times when we started on Haskell last year at uni.

Definitely start with C#. It's very easy to get going with, and it's not hard to move onto the likes of C++ or just plain ol' C after using it a while.

VB6 was bad, but that isn't the case anymore.

C# and VB.NET are exactly the same, to the degree that the only difference is syntax and code in one language can be automatically converted to the other.

[TwistedFerret]

Thanks for the input guys, i appreciate it

[ReidE96]

VB6 was bad, but that isn't the case anymore.

C# and VB.NET are exactly the same, to the degree that the only difference is syntax and code in one language can be automatically converted to the other.

Very very true. However, the syntax of c# is similar to that used in C++, C, Java and so on. VB is kinda on its own. Note at this point that yes, I code in vb.net, cause it's what I got used to. I'm trying to break said habit.

[snigelmannen]

Well id say C++ the only thing you need to create simple things is Borlands compiler and its free, otherwise you would have to get VS20XX for C# and whatnot, Java/VB should be avoided unless you want to buttfukk yourself.

[homer91]

If you're just new to programming, I would say C# console apps, then move to C++.

[The-Eradicator]

Well id say C++ the only thing you need to create simple things is Borlands compiler and its free, otherwise you would have to get VS20XX for C# and whatnot, Java/VB should be avoided unless you want to buttfukk yourself.

wat.

Visual Studio is free, you only need to pay if you need advanced features. And once again, VB.NET is not inherently bad, nor is Java.

Stop spreading that crap.

Sure, I favor C# and i'd recommend it because it's my preference, but that doesn't make the other languages bad.

[ReidE96]

VB.NET is not inherently bad, nor is Java.

On Java, truth^100. There's a reason it's used EVERYWHERE. On VB.NET, the bad part is that, for a first language, you get over-used to the BASIC syntax, which is pretty much all on its lonesome. C-style syntax is much more common, so it's better to learn a language that uses that first.

[kixer]

Hi, i have fiddled around with some java and c++, i even bought some books on them, but they really dont give much other than the key words and what they do, what im looking for is a language thats not so complex that a hello world program would be 300lines ;P, but something i could get the hang of quick and start programming something useful. I also get programmers block even though im not one really lol, i have a hard time coming up with ideas, since most of anything useful has already been done. Any suggestions? Thanks

What is your goal exactly? You just want to learn it for fun, or you are starting for some reason? In the former case, I can recommend any scripting language. Learn lua and you can make your own addons or alter the existing ones.

C/C++ is a lower level language good for writing memory/cpu efficient apps. I wouldn't recommend it for beginner though. It is very powerful, but you must be very disciplined to programm in C/C++ corectly. C# is much better, but works best with Windows. Visual basic is good for starters. Java is a business language. It is very popular in "enterprise". But not good if you want to work in gaming...