Resetting Diminishing Returns on Loot: Need More Data

[CuT]

It's highly possible players receive better loot within the first X number of kills, opens, or minutes of being in game. Maybe within the first created game after X time for that matter. For this reason I would like to propose that D3 now has or has had diminishing returns involving loot.

It makes the most sense for Blizzard to attack exploiters in this way. How else can they stop chest exploits without implementing diminishing returns?

If you are too interested you should try recording every time logged in, the amount of time in between logins, how long did X Quest for, and when received some of the better loots within those time frames. The RNG on the afflicts of items probably isn't effected so I am judging the quality of items based on Blue Rare and Legendary.EXAMPLE:

201% mf
2 ½~ hour offline.

Gardens lvl1 runs
1st, 1 blue from chest (no rack)
2nd, norhing (no rack no chest)
3rd, 2 blues from chest.
4rd, blue from mob, nothing from rack/chest
5th, blue from random thing. (no chest)
6th, nothing from rack (no chest)
7th, nothing
8th, blue from rack, nothing from chest.
9th nothing (no rack/chest)
10th nothing

State amount of mf, time offline, time and runs done, amount of chest/racks per run.

If anyone else would like to help me in determining a maximum amount of time to be logged out for in order to revive good loot when logging in again, I need more data to come up with something conclusive.

It would be pretty awesome to say, "Stay logged out for 2 hours, farm 5 Neph. buffs, open a chest, and you will revive a legendary".

POST AND HELP FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESET THE DIMINISHING RETURNS.

[Liis]

Never thought of it this way until you mentioned it. But yes, it does seem that way.
First time farming Act4 Garden of Hope 1. Freshly logged in (dont remember how long I was off), Within the first half hour (could possibly been shorter, but not the first 2 runs), 1k bow. Nothing for rest of the evening.
2nd time farming same spot, after ~8 hour sleep. Same, within half an hour, 1.1k xbow.

So I'll be helping out with staying offline for some time to see if this works out. I'll keep you posted!

[passionford]

I gotta say i agree, over the weekend i did some of my own testing and every single time i logged in after 4 hours i got good loot the first half hour/45 mins then it got worse and worse longest being over 9 hours with nothing..
It also makes some sense when you see people say oh so and so is nerfed then someone comes on and says hey i just logged in a got a great 1.3k bow etc.. im even doubting the magic find is making any difference from gear but thats another discussion i think.

[abusYn]

I've noticed this too, specifically when farming resplendent chest locations, like in the Watch Tower.

I've noticed that if i open the resplendent chest first my loot isn't that great, maybe 3-4 blues and 0 rares, but if i open the other chests nearby first i seem to get 1 or more rares, could just be coincidence or RNG, either way it'd be nice for someone to try it out.

It's the same with mobs, i find myself simply killing things over and over (As you do) in a certain act, and the more i kill, the better the loot.

As an example; If i kill SK (On hell, still progressing Inferno) without logging out and starting from the beginning of Act I, i get better loot than if i accessed the point JUST before SK. And like i said, it could just be coincidence.

Good luck with your tests, this could be quite a find

[Edit] I'll nominate myself for this, I'll do Act I hell from start to finish and log all the boss loot that i get, and the frequency of rares that drop. Afterwards I'll jump to the points just before the bosses and tag my results that way too. If all goes well you've earned yourself some rep ^^

[Totemanic]

I noticed this too, and it seems way too regular to be random luck. Every time I stop playing for a while I will get a 500k+ item in the first 10 mins of farming. Maybe it is random but certainly doesn't feel it.

[CuT]

Ok so here is my data from a short gardens lvl 1 set. I was working with how to record it and think it's a good idea to put tallys for how many chests/racks opened.

8:38: 1 wep rack blue
:42: 1 wep rack=nothing, 1 Chest=blue
:45: 1 chest = 2B
:46: 2 Lesions = 2 Blues, 1 wep rack = blue, 2nd wep rack = nothing
:49 2 weapon racks = nothing
:50 1 chest = blue
:52 1 Lesion= Blue (Shrine)
:52 1 weprack=nothing
:55 nothing
:56 1 chest = blue
:58 nothing
:59 1 blue from Vile Lesion
9:00 2 blues
:01 chest = blue
:02 nothing
:08 1 chest = blue, Lesion=blue
:11 Lesion = blue
:17 nothing

I started to see less after a half hour then it was almost pointless to keep running. I filled my bags in the first half hour and in the second half of my run received much less. I was seeing no blues from weapon racks by the end, and at the beginning I got 2 blues from my first 2 weapon racks.

The best way to test if it has been reset leads me to believe weapon racks can do this

[Liis]

Here's some more data
201% mf
2 ½~ hour offline.

Gardens lvl1 runs
1st, 1 blue from chest (no rack)
2nd, norhing (no rack no chest)
3rd, 2 blues from chest.
4rd, blue from mob, nothing from rack/chest
5th, blue from random thing. (no chest)
6th, nothing from rack (no chest)
7th, nothing
8th, blue from rack, nothing from chest.
9th nothing (no rack/chest)
10th nothing

I started to get less after like 5-10 minutes.


Could it have something to do with how long you've been offline = how long you get more loot?
(Logged out now, waiting for my next run in about 4 hours) I'll get back with some more data.


Suggestion for further data input.
State amount of mf, time offline, time and runs done, amount of chest/racks per run. Takes some time to write everything down, but I think it could be essential to the "research"

[CuT]

Perfect, this is exactly what I was going for. I'll edit my original post with this example. If enough people contribute hopefully I can normalize something to have an actual statistic.

[abusYn]

Posting a few results, these are all on Hell difficulty. From the start of Act I.

4:11: 1 armor rack - 1 white
4:16: 2 chests - 1 blue 2 whites
4:19: 1 treasure goblin - 1 rare 2 blues
4:32: champ pack - 2 blues 1 grey
4:46: ~30-40 ash pots - 4 blues 1 rare 3 whites 1 grey
5:02: elite pack - 2 rares 3 blues
5:14 1 resplendent chest - 2 rares 1 blue 4 whites
5:22 1 chest - 1 blue 3 whites
5:29 1 armor rack & 1 weapon rack - 2 whites
5:36 1 treasure goblin - 3 rares 2 blues
5:41 1 weapon rack - 1 blue
5:44 Skeleton King - 4 rares 6 blues + ~4k in gold.

Seems to be getting slightly better over time.

There were barrels/dead bodies in-between, none gave anything except whites/greys & money.

[chitoh]

Act 4 Inf Gardens lv1 with Great Span WP farm runs (20 runs over the course of an hour)
1. 2 blues from chest, 1 blue from WP ghost
2. 3 blues from weap racks (2 racks) 2 blues from WP
3. 1 blue from Wp
4. 2 blue from wp
5. 3 blues from weap racks (2) 1 blue from lesion(4) 1 blue from wp
6. 1 blue from wp
7. 2 blue from weap racks (3) 1 blue from wp
8. 2 whites from weap racks (3) 1 white from lesion(4) 1 blue from wp
9. 1 blue from chest 1 blue from wp
10. 1 white from lesion(4) 1 white from chest 1 blue from wp
11. 3 white from lesion 1 blue from wp
12. 1 blue from wp
13. 1 blue from wp
14. 1 blue from wp
15. 2 blue from chest(2) 2 blue from wp
16. 2 whites from chest 1 blue from wp
17. 1 white from lesion 1 blue from wp
18. 1 blue from chest (3) 1 blue from wp
19. 2 blue from chest(2) 3 white from lesion 1 blue from wp
20. 3 white from lesion 2 white from chest(2) 1 blue from wp


EDIT: Offline for 9 hours, 231% MF

[Liis]

Thanks for the input guys!
Although we do need to know how long you've stayed offline and your general mf, please add that to the data.

[Liis]

Here's some more data
201% mf
3~ hour offline.

Each run ~1 min
1st, 1 rack, blue. Nothing from other random things.
2nd, 1 rack nothing, 1 chest nothing.
3rd, minimal vases/stuff, no racks no chest.
4th, 2 chest, 1 blue, 1 rack, 1 blue.Fortune shrine
5th no racks no chests, fortune shrine
6th, 1 rack, 1 blue.
7th, 1 chest, nothing. 1 rack 1 (very sucky) rare.
8th, 1 chest, tome of secret YAY :P
9th run, 1 chest, 2 blues, 2 racks, nothing
10th, 1 rack/1 chest, nothing.

Went on and did about 15 more runs. Got a couple more blues but nothing from racks, like 1 or 2 from chest.

[Liis]

201% mf
~10 hours offline

1. 1 chest 1 blue 1 rack nothing
2. 2 chest 2 blue 1 rack 1 blue, 1 blue from random
3. 2 racks 1 blue
4.1 chest 1 blue 1 rack nothing
5. 1 rack 1 blue
6. 1 rack nothing
7. 1 chest 1 rack nothing
8. 1 rack nothing
9. Nothing
10. 2 rack nothing

Went on a little more with lots of elites and opressors killing me and like 1 blue from a vase.

[DivineWizard]

server files are easily accessible, one of us should scour them to find whether or not this is implemented in Diablo 3's code. It'd be less speculative in the long run.

[EpicZak]

bravo this is awesome!